From: Le Couey Date: 2010-04-03T04:21:00+09:00 Subject: Re: Its a bird, its a plane, its.. um, an Attribute based System? Hello David, On 4/2/2010 10:39 AM, David Masover wrote: > Not to feed the troll, and I realize I'm late to this thread, but... > > That said, I'm not sure that was the main issue. The main issue is that you > not only concocted your own whole new vocabulary, but you were unable to > define pretty much any term you were using in plain English, or in plain Ruby, > or in any terms we would understand. > > >> 3. Using phrases that mean other things to people that are in >> authority is not a good way to start any conversation, >> > I don't know that there's any particular authority in control of this forum. > What authority there is seems to be meritocratic -- that is, I listen to > certain people because I know what they've done, and I know they can be > respected. When the guy who wrote Merb (and Nanite, and a bunch of other fun > things) tells you he doesn't know what you're talking about, I'm inclined to > believe it's that you have a problem communicating, and not that we have a > problem understanding. > ... >> 7. Open source has an attitude of "show me your source" and any >> situation that does not fit this mold can become one of suspicion. >> > Somewhat, but not necessarily. > > For example, I've occasionally brought up my somewhat abstract idea of a pure- > Ruby actor library in which the messages sent between actors are just method > calls, and actors can be garbage-collected. I sort of have a prototype, but > I've never shared it here. > > Yet people were willing to talk to me about it, because I'm able to explain it > in terms they can understand. The only thing missing might be a description of > the actor model, and I can just point them here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor_model > > The reason people are insisting that you show us the code is that you seem > utterly incapable of saying what you mean in plain English, so there's the > hope that maybe, if there's something to it, we'll be able to understand your > code. I have my doubts about that -- it might be that people were hoping you'd > shut up and go make it work. > > >> 8 forum "politics" is not new to me, but the system of "Rank" here >> seems less fragmented than I had expected. Human swarms are always >> interesting. Mr Davis used exactly the timing, and exactly decisive >> manner that I would use to shut down a "young turk" if I was in a >> position of authority. (Breaking of rank at this point would take >> some balls.) >> > I'm fairly sure I've disagreed with Mr. Davis on occasion. I've certainly > "broken rank" with anyone here who could be considered a "leader". There are > all sorts of lively debates, and politics generally doesn't get in the way. > > The problem here is not politics, it is the fact that no one, even quiet > lurkers like me, is able to figure out what you're talking about. If someone > could, I'd hope they would speak up and translate for the rest of us. > > > I'm a lurker here myself. My time is very restricted right now, but I like to see what people are doing and what problems they're running into AND what the solutions others have come up with, ;-) You've made some very good points here. But I think you may have missed the primary consideration Thunk has that keeps him from communication what his real problem is ... so, with out a well defined problem, no one can see a solution for him. So not responses that he "can use", only requests for clarification, which he "can't" give. The point you've missed: > Meanwhile I will continue to build that public wiki at: > > http://wiki.github.com/gkoller/Ruids/ > > at my own pace consistent with a "proprietary" release in 3 months or > so. > ... > Thunk > The key phrase is "proprietary". He's afraid of loosing MONEY if he actually tells what he wants, so he "hints" and "Hints" but does not tell anything that can be of use. I've seen this many times before, Thunk wants a solution HE CAN SELL as HIS WORK, not OPEN SOURCE, or even the "Ruby way", he wants ALL the credit, but little of the work. He wants a solution that is a "plug and play" solution. But, again, he's afraid to let anyone know what he really is after ... they might beat him to the market and get all the money first! Or at least that's the impression I'm getting from his writings so far. It's difficult for him, he doesn't trust anyone one the list. He has no one he can turn to for help at the same time. If he's good he'll figure it out by himself. If he's just average ... well he'll probably blame the list "politics". -- LeCouey Professional Hacker (1967) Rubyist (from the time when the ONLY docs were in Japanese, and I DON'T read/write/speak Japanese! ) Professional Newbie (1950) There is always more to learn about Every Subject! AND There is always a better way, that requires less effort, of doing it. Professional Generalist (1979) If I can't program it, IT can not be done! By Anyone! (with maybe a few exceptions B-\ ;-) -- ____________________________________________________ Security is mostly a superstition, it does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. To keep our faces toward change and behave like free spirits in the presence of fate is strength undefeatable. - Helen Keller. * Taglines by TagZilla * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org