[#383997] CORE - Alternative Variable Substitution — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

ruby 1.9

21 messages 2011/06/01

[#384051] CORE - Replace "if __FILE__ == $0" with "executed?" — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

The construct to detect execution of the file (in order to launch main

12 messages 2011/06/02

[#384104] CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

1.9

76 messages 2011/06/04
[#384111] Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — James Gray <james@...> 2011/06/04

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

[#384154] Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/06/05

Hi,

[#384168] Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2011/06/06

On 6 撫, 01:11, Yukihiro Matsumoto <m...@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#384228] a little challenge - reproduce this error — Intransition <transfire@...>

Want to see a really amazing error I got this week? Okay... but to

24 messages 2011/06/08
[#384230] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — Steve Klabnik <steve@...> 2011/06/08

throw NameError.new("uninitialized constant X::Foo::X")

[#384231] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — John Feminella <johnf@...> 2011/06/08

This is a pretty trivial error to generate. Just reference the

[#384232] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — Intransition <transfire@...> 2011/06/08

[#384235] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — Christopher Dicely <cmdicely@...> 2011/06/08

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Intransition <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#384279] CORE - Literal Instantiation breaks Object Model — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

class String

14 messages 2011/06/09

[#384280] BARRIER - require "rubygems" — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

ruby 1.9.2p180 Windows 7

30 messages 2011/06/09

[#384283] Classic Computer Science Books — Stu <stu@...>

I wanted to start a thread discussion on classic computer science

38 messages 2011/06/09
[#384288] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/06/10

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Stu <stu@rubyprogrammer.net> wrote:

[#384289] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/06/10

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:22:58AM +0900, Josh Cheek wrote:

[#384291] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Stu <stu@...> 2011/06/10

Thank you for the responses. I look forward to reading others.

[#384346] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/06/11

> queue to read Meyers C++ books and Crockford's Javascript: The Good

[#384349] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Stu <stu@...> 2011/06/11

Hello Anurag

[#384430] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/06/13

Hey Stu,

[#384464] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Vin兤ius <undvinicius@...> 2011/06/14

Wow, those are a lot of books, as a beginner programmer, I don't have

[#384322] PSA: Ilias is Crazy — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

I guess I have to post this periodically since our population is growing and changing so much.

18 messages 2011/06/10

[#384363] RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

This is a simple Request for Comments.

161 messages 2011/06/11
[#384368] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Intransition <transfire@...> 2011/06/11

[#384654] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2011/06/17

On 11 撫, 20:35, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:

[#384676] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/06/17

Hi,

[#384633] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2011/06/17

On 17 撫, 21:17, Gary Wright <gwtm...@mac.com> wrote:

[#384432] commit message conventions — Intransition <transfire@...>

When I write commit messages I add a "team" prefix to the message,

14 messages 2011/06/13
[#384433] Re: commit message conventions — John Feminella <johnf@...> 2011/06/13

I greatly dislike that style, to be frank. My commit messages usually

[#384467] A way to find out when a constant gets defined? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...>

Hi, I'd like to be able to find out when a constant gets defined. I think I

14 messages 2011/06/14

[#384490] Messages to Ruby List/Forum/etc. not arriving equally? — Markus Fischer <markus@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2011/06/15

[#384500] CORE - Inconsistent Handling of Uninitialized Variables — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

puts "\n== Testin in MAIN Context =="

18 messages 2011/06/15

[#384617] get execution name of program — Chad Perrin <code@...>

Either $0 or __FILE__ will return a filename to give context for how a

13 messages 2011/06/17

[#384634] default config file location — Chad Perrin <code@...>

Is there a "better" way to specify a default config file location than

16 messages 2011/06/17
[#384637] Re: default config file location — "Matthew K. Williams" <matt@...> 2011/06/17

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Chad Perrin wrote:

[#384648] celluloid 0.0.3: a concurrent object framework for Ruby — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...>

Celluloid is a concurrent object framework for Ruby inspired by Erlang

12 messages 2011/06/17

[#384763] MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

(public draft)

46 messages 2011/06/20
[#384765] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/06/20

Before anyone engages this nonsense . . .

[#384772] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Adam Prescott <adam@...> 2011/06/20

On 20 Jun 2011 20:32, "Chad Perrin" <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#384774] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2011/06/20

Five posts in on this thread, and four of them are the self appointed

[#384779] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — David Masover <ninja@...> 2011/06/20

A quick, lazy response, because I shouldn't feed trolls anyway, and I simply

[#384788] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Nikolai Weibull <now@...> 2011/06/21

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 23:52, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#384790] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Adam Prescott <adam@...> 2011/06/21

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se> wrote:

[#384792] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Nikolai Weibull <now@...> 2011/06/21

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:37, Adam Prescott <adam@aprescott.com> wrote:

[#384800] How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I want to order a hash using itds keys:

35 messages 2011/06/21
[#384808] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/21

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384813] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/21

2011/6/21 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384814] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/21

2011/6/21 Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>:

[#384833] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384837] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/22

2011/6/22 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384843] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384846] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/22

2011/6/22 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384847] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384849] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/22

2011/6/22 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384855] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384819] Gateway Shutting Down — James Gray <james@...>

Rubyists:

12 messages 2011/06/21

[#384873] Explicitly setting compiler to C++ in extconf.rb... — "Darryl L. Pierce" <mcpierce@...>

I'm trying to setup a Ruby gem that bundles the Swig-generated bindings

10 messages 2011/06/23

[#384907] SPDX (and the glazing of ones eyes) — Intransition <transfire@...>

Never ceases to amaze me how complicated "enterprisey" peoples can

17 messages 2011/06/25
[#384909] Re: SPDX (and the glazing of ones eyes) — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/06/25

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Intransition <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#384996] A movie Renamer — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...>

Hello Guys,

20 messages 2011/06/29
[#385007] Re: A movie Renamer — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2011/06/29

Please don't steal movies.

[#385010] Re: A movie Renamer — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/06/29

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 06:17:55AM +0900, Sam Duncan wrote:

[#385011] Re: A movie Renamer — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2011/06/29

*sigh*

[#385019] A File Renamer — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...>

I guess this thread has spawned another issue. Let me close this and say I

18 messages 2011/06/30
[#385021] Re: A File Renamer — Jeremy Heiler <jeremyheiler@...> 2011/06/30

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Mayank Kohaley

[#385027] Re: A File Renamer — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/06/30

> Is there a pattern to the file names you are working with? The key is

Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative

From: David Masover <ninja@...>
Date: 2011-06-18 02:40:16 UTC
List: ruby-talk #384685
On Friday, June 17, 2011 08:35:35 PM Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> On 18 撫, 02:30, Yukihiro Matsumoto <m...@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > In message "Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative"
> > 
> >     on Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:40:36 +0900, Ilias Lazaridis 
<il...@lazaridis.com> writes:
[snip]
> > |I like the word "involve" more, but as "require!" reminds clearly the
> > |original "require", it's the first choice.
> > 
> > Unfortunately the general rule for the "!" in the method name, at
> > least in the standard library, is that it means "more dangerous than
> > the version without bang".  Since require! does not follow this rule,
> > and not worthy to change the rule.  So it's no chance to have require!
> > in the standard library.
> 
> I've read somewhere that it's a security risk to have the local
> directory in the library path (which "require" accesses). Thus
> "require_relative" became necessary.
> 
> require_relative *has* the local directory in it's "path",

We've been over this, and I honestly thought you understood last time.

require_relative is relative to the directory containing the current file. 
That is,

  require_relative 'foo'

is equivalent to this:

  require File.join(File.dirname(__FILE__), 'foo')

The security risk you are talking about is from the working directory. That 
is, if require! worked in the "dangerous" way you seem to think it would, it 
would then be equivalent to this:

  require File.join(Dir.pwd, 'foo')

These are different. They often, but not always, point to the same file, and 
(surprisingly) you acknowledged this and admitted your mistake.

Now, requiring relative to the working directory is a security risk. As I've 
explained (to you!) before: Suppose I put a ruby script in my PATH, to use as 
a command. It has 'require "foo"' in it. If I then cd into some untrusted 
directory and run my command, some clever user could have put a malicious 
foo.rb file in that directory. It doesn't have to be me, either -- suppose my 
Ruby script is setuid root. Now any user can create, at their leisure, a 
malicious Ruby script with the name of one of the libraries required by this 
script, and run it, and now they've rooted my machine.

This isn't even particularly far-fetched. I realize it doesn't apply to you, 
being on Windows and all, but this is a use case Ruby fits particularly well.

By contrast, requiring relative to the current file isn't dangerous at all. 
Unless the attacker has write access to the directory you've installed the 
script into, they can't inject anything.

So, sorry, it's not dangerous in any sense that would suggest a bang method. 
It's just different, and it's different in that it's, well, relative to the 
current file. I wonder how we would name a method that is different in that 
it's _relative_ to something. Hmm...

> It is "more
> powerful than the version without bang" - and thus "more dangerous".

Nope, "more powerful" isn't what's meant by "more dangerous".

It's also not necessarily true here. The standard system require is pretty 
powerful -- require_relative can only require relative to the current file, 
while the system require can require relative to a configurable list of 
directories. Seems like the system require is more powerful to me.

An example of something which is "more dangerous" -- in DataMapper, there are 
bang versions of save, update, delete, etc, which bypass validations in order 
to be more efficient (often resulting in only executing a single line of SQL 
instead of having to load each record and perform validations before 
saving/deleting). And of course, you should be familiar with things like 
Array#sort vs Array#sort! -- one modifies the original array, the other 
creates a copy first, and is thus safer if you don't know who might have the 
original array.

> But even if not, the "!" rule could be extended

Didn't Matz have something to say about that? I think he did:

On Friday, June 17, 2011 06:30:32 PM Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> Since require! does not follow this rule,
> and not worthy to change the rule.  So it's no chance to have require!
> in the standard library.

Not worthy to change the rule. But even if we change it to this (if this isn't 
already a fair description):

> "!" for "flat" functions (e.g. "flat" Kernel functions which do not
> operate strictly on an object) is used to indicate:
>  * "you should know what you do, possible risks" (= more dangerous),
> or
>  * "more powerful implementation", (essentially this means: more
> dangerous).

require_relative is neither riskier, nor more powerful, nor more dangerous, 
and there's no particular reason you need to know what you're doing with it 
more than with require.

It's. Just. Different.
That's all.

And the way in which it's different is described by the current name.

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