From: Chad Perrin <code@...>
Date: 2011-11-15T07:02:55+09:00
Subject: Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 03:08:29AM +0900, Paris S. wrote:
> Nikolai Weibull wrote in post #1006560:
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 23:08, Sam Duncan <sduncan@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Five posts in on this thread, and four of them are the self appointed =
list
> >> police saying don't post in this thread. Ilias vs Lord of the Flies.
> >
> > I agree.  I=E2=80=99d much rather read another one of Ilias tirades than
> > another =E2=80=9Cplease don=E2=80=99t feed the troll=E2=80=9D post.
>=20
> I just wanted to agree with this.

Are you aware that you resurrected a discussion from almost half a year
ago to say that?  Let sleeping dogs lie if you really want it to stop.


>=20
> However, insisting that they not post to a mailing list is bullying=20
> behavior.
>=20
> Complaining when others talk to them is to seek to control something=20
> that is darn well none of your business, and is bullying and even a step=
=20
> beyond.

I don't think it was intended as bullying.  I think it was intended as
advice.


>=20
> And calling them out for public ridicule is disgusting, and it is=20
> definitely Lord of the Flies. The idea some had that simply pointing=20
> that out makes you also like Lord of the Flies is bizarre! It is the=20
> meanness and trying to join together like a wild gang to force somebody=
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> out even when it is not your decision, with no concept of social norms,=
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> that is what Lord of the Flies implies.

I think you missed the point of Lord of the Flies.  It was about the
innate potential for savagery in people, lurking just beneath the surface
of our civilization, and how this can lead to the development of harmful
social norms.  It is not, as you imply, about the violation of social
norms.


>=20
> It seems like it should go without saying that any post claiming to be=20
> well intentioned should be accepted, unless it is clearly abusive. Not=20
> liking the author should never be grounds to exclude a post, or even to=
=20
> attempt to exclude a post.
>=20
> Because it is not nice to try to exclude people.

How would you suggest dealing with people who go out of their way to be a
destructive influence on an otherwise relatively harmonious group?

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Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

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