[#390749] Why are there so many similar/identical methods in core classes — Kassym Dorsel <k.dorsel@...>

Let's look at the Array class and start with method aliases.

14 messages 2011/12/02

[#390755] Inverse Operation of Module#include — Su Zhang <su.comp.lang.ruby@...>

Hi list,

21 messages 2011/12/02
[#390759] Re: Inverse Operation of Module#include — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2011/12/02

[#390764] Re: Inverse Operation of Module#include — Isaac Sanders <isaacbfsanders@...> 2011/12/02

I would suggest an Adapter pattern use here. IF there is something that has

[#390876] black magical hash element vivification — Chad Perrin <code@...>

Ruby (1.9.3p0 to be precise, installed with RVM) is not behaving as I

12 messages 2011/12/05

[#390918] WEB SURVEY about Ruby Community — Intransition <transfire@...>

Did any one else get this survey request?

14 messages 2011/12/07

[#390976] Confusing results from string multiplication — Rob Marshall <robmarshall@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2011/12/08

[#391019] How can I do h["foo"] += "bar" if h["foo"] does not exist? — "Andrew S." <andrewinfosec@...>

Hi there,

13 messages 2011/12/09

[#391027] reading from file without end-of-lines — Janko Muzykant <umrzykus@...>

hi,

20 messages 2011/12/09
[#391028] Re: reading from file without end-of-lines — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2011/12/09

> i'm trying to read a few text values from single file:

[#391031] Re: reading from file without end-of-lines — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/12/09

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@gmail.com> wrote:

[#391042] Re: reading from file without end-of-lines — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2011/12/09

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Robert Klemme

[#391135] I need advice on what to do next. — Nathan Kossaeth <system_freak_2004@...>

I am new to programming. I read the ebook "Learn to Program" by Chris

23 messages 2011/12/12

[#391216] perf optimization using profile results — Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist@...>

I need some help with optimizing a set of libraries that I use. They are ffi-rzmq, zmqmachine and rzmq_brokers (all up on github).

13 messages 2011/12/13
[#391218] Re: perf optimization using profile results — Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist@...> 2011/12/13

On Dec 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Chuck Remes wrote:

[#391234] Re: perf optimization using profile results — Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...> 2011/12/14

A couple quick observations.

[#391238] Re: perf optimization using profile results — Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist@...> 2011/12/14

On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#391324] ruby 1.9 threading performance goes non-linear — Joel VanderWerf <joelvanderwerf@...>

12 messages 2011/12/16
[#391325] Re: ruby 1.9 threading performance goes non-linear — Eric Wong <normalperson@...> 2011/12/16

Joel VanderWerf <joelvanderwerf@gmail.com> wrote:

[#391420] Accessing class instance variables from an instance? — "Shareef J." <shareef@...>

Hi there,

26 messages 2011/12/20
[#391454] Re: Accessing class instance variables from an instance? — Khat Harr <myphatproxy@...> 2011/12/21

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it the existing behavior sort of

[#391456] Re: Accessing class instance variables from an instance? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/12/21

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Khat Harr <myphatproxy@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#391545] Kernel#exit raises an exception? — Khat Harr <myphatproxy@...>

While I was working on embedding an interpreter I wrote a function to

13 messages 2011/12/24

[#391618] rvmsh: An easy installer for RVM — Bryan Dunsmore <dunsmoreb@...>

I have recently begun work on a project called [rvmsh]

12 messages 2011/12/29

[#391783] Mailspam — Gunther Diemant <g.diemant@...>

Is there a way to stop this mailspam of Luca (Mail)?

12 messages 2011/12/29

[#391790] What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Nikolai Weibull <now@...>

Hi!

23 messages 2011/12/29
[#391792] Re: What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Gunther Diemant <g.diemant@...> 2011/12/29

I think you can't access instance variables from a class method, so

[#391793] Re: What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Nikolai Weibull <now@...> 2011/12/29

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 15:52, Gunther Diemant <g.diemant@gmx.net> wrote:

[#391811] Re: What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/12/29

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se> wrote:

[#391812] Re: What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Nikolai Weibull <now@...> 2011/12/29

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 00:26, Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> w=

[#391816] Re: What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/12/30

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se> wrote:

[#391833] Re: What’s the standard way of implementing #hash for value objects in Ruby? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/12/30

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se> wrote:

I: Exclamation marks in method names

From: "Luca \(Email\)" <luca.pagano@...>
Date: 2011-12-29 06:53:45 UTC
List: ruby-talk #391726

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Robert Klemme [mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com]=20
Inviato: luned=EC 14 novembre 2011 16:49
A: ruby-talk ML
Oggetto: Re: Exclamation marks in method names

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Sylvester Keil =
<sylvester.keil@gmail.com>
wrote:
> As outlined in the Matz/Flanagan book (also in Pickaxe and, I believe, =
I
read about it the Best Practices book, too), the prevailing convention =
is to
use exclamation marks for methods that should 'be used with caution'; =
common
examples include mutators (when there is also a nonmutating variant), or
methods that raise errors (when there are variants that fail 'silently' =
by
returning a known good value or a default value). I have used =
exclamation
marks in both these contexts, however, I've also come up with a =
different
idiom recently, mainly in combination with predicates.
>
> As we know, predicates (or predicate-like state) can often be accessed
using methods ending with a question mark like #empty?, #nil? etc. Now, =
in
cases where the predicate's state is determined solely by an attribute, =
I
started using methods with exclamation marks to set the value. For =
example,
consider a Date class that is supposed to handle uncertain dates:
>
> d =3D Date.new
> d.uncertain? #-> false
> d.uncertain! #-> make date uncertain (instead of d.uncertain =3D true) =

> d.uncertain? #-> true d.certain! #-> make date certain again
>
> These methods are mutators, but they are not really dangerous (and =
there
are no non mutating variants), so this usage is in violation with the =
naming
convention. Nevertheless, I've grown quite fond of the symmetry (using =
both
? and ! for predicates), going so far as adding separate accessor =
generators
(think attar_predicate).

That would be totally unobvious to me.  I would rather expect (and be
looking for) a "=3D" sign somewhere to update the property / attribute.
That also has the advantage to treat all attributes alike when it comes =
to
updating.  Not sure whether this in itself is such a big win but the
readability loss could be significant.

> To make matters worse, I broke another convention: in Ruby, the
exclamation mark mutators usually return self only if a mutation =
actually
took place (nil otherwise), for example:
>
> 'U'.upcase! #-> nil
>
> and are therefore not chainable. Because I wanted the =
predicate-setters to
be chainable, I made them return self always. For instance, I had a Name
class that printed names according to different formatting rules and I
wanted to write things like:

Chainability is useful sometimes but I am in doubt whether it is such a =
big
asset.  I'd probably judge convention higher.

> name.sort_order!.to_s #-> set name to sort order formatting and=20
> convert to string

Doesn't look good to my eyes.

> What do you think? Is it a terrible idea to break conventions like =
that
and would you discourage or condone such usage?

Well, conventions are there to make our lives easier.  If you break a
convention you need to compare the cost with the benefit.  If you intend =
to
make the code from these projects public I'd say costs (=3D negative =
impact)
clearly outweigh benefits, because your convention is not compatible =
with
the "core convention".  Even for purely internal project I am not sure
whether it is such a good idea.  New people need to get used to it =
(which is
probably not too bad), but if you look at other code you will constantly
have to adjust your expectations (i.e.
foo! is chainable in your case while it is not generally in other
code) etc.  I think the "beauty" to nicely align methods with =
punctuation
(!?) is not as important as the obstacles to reading and writing code in =
an
environment with your replacement convention.  And:
if it ain't broken, don't fix it - could be read as "don't change
established conventions unless you have very good reasons".

> Also, I'd be curious to know if there were any other common =
conventions
regarding the use of exclamation (and question) marks in method names?

I am not aware of any other right now.

Kind regards

robert

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