From: David Masover Date: 2011-06-21T23:46:48+09:00 Subject: Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 09:00:43 AM Nikolai Weibull wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:51, Adam Prescott wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Nikolai Weibull wrote: > >> Here are the statistics of the require_relative thread (name, number > >> of messages): > >> > >> [list] > >> > >> The top two posters, skipping you and Ilias himself, are the two that > >> posted warnings in this thread. The poster who re-quoted one of the > >> warnings is in the top ten. I suppose I'm one of the top two, so I suppose you're talking (at least partly) about me when you say this: > My point is that it’s not up to others to decide what I, or anyone > else, deem worthy of discussion. When have I ever said anything of the sort? > Some have, as the list showed, engaged him and it’s mildly > annoying when some of those posters then tell everyone else to steer > clear of him. I don't think I said this, either. Here's what I actually said: On Monday, June 20, 2011 04:52:34 PM David Masover wrote: > Anyone who believes Ilias should be given the benefit of the doubt, and > that the "list police" (just concerned users, really) shouldn't be warning > people not to feed the troll, watch what Ilias does here. I haven't actually told anyone to stay away, I'm only pointing out, by way of illustration, that those who have said to stay away are doing so out of experience, and not as some sort of arbitrary censorship or attempt to "police" anyone. In fact, I think that sort of argument would have _more_ credibility coming from those who've actually engaged him. That is: I'm not deciding for you that it's not worth discussing. I'm not even saying the topic isn't worth discussing, though I do think the "require_relative" thread got to that point -- but sometimes, Ilias does spark interesting discussions, though they seem to happen in spite of his best efforts to kill the more interesting discussion by declaring it off-topic. I'm not even saying not to feed him. I'm just saying, this is what happens when you do. If you still think it's likely to be worth your time, I'm doing absolutely nothing to stop you. I have the time to waste, and I find it entertaining sometimes, but that doesn't mean it's been a productive use of my time. And you're right: On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 05:06:41 AM Nikolai Weibull wrote: > Perhaps they should heed their own and each other’s warnings instead > of repeatedly telling everyone else what to do? I haven't told anyone what to do, but I absolutely should heed those warnings. At least I've got my priorities straight now -- I think I've spent much more time responding to you than I did in my last post to him.