[#296620] linux: getting the "load" values without using "top" — James Dinkel <jdinkel@...>

I would like to get some of the information provided by the "top"

12 messages 2008/04/01

[#296625] should I use a database or a flat file? — James Dinkel <jdinkel@...>

I need to store some information with my ruby program and I am not sure

23 messages 2008/04/01
[#296628] Re: should I use a database or a flat file? — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2008/04/01

2008/4/1, James Dinkel <jdinkel@gmail.com>:

[#296633] Re: should I use a database or a flat file? — James Dinkel <jdinkel@...> 2008/04/01

[#296646] Re: should I use a database or a flat file? — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2008/04/01

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:32 AM, James Dinkel <jdinkel@gmail.com> wrote:

[#296654] Does Ruby support exception wrapping (exception chaining)? — "Hartin, Brian" <Brian.Hartin@...>

I could not find any information about this, except regarding DRb.

16 messages 2008/04/01

[#296832] confused by 'test'.gsub(/.*/,'x') — Wybo Dekker <wybo@...>

Why do I get "xx" instead of "x" in the following:

14 messages 2008/04/02

[#296849] ruby constructor return value? — Brendan Stennett <brendan6@...>

How do I alert an error if it occurs in an object's constructor?

13 messages 2008/04/02

[#296984] using a range as a key — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...>

I'm trying to achieve the effect of having a range of integers as a hash

14 messages 2008/04/03

[#297004] Using a string as executable code — Peter Marks <petertmarks@...>

I need to store one line method calls as strings in my db and then apply

14 messages 2008/04/04

[#297105] The ||= assignment operator — Belorion <belorion@...>

It was my understanding that the ||= assignment operator assigned the value

34 messages 2008/04/04
[#297114] Re: The ||= assignment operator — Chris Shea <cmshea@...> 2008/04/04

On Apr 4, 1:30 pm, Paul Mucur <mu...@waferbaby.com> wrote:

[#297141] Re: The ||= assignment operator — Pe, Botp <botp@...> 2008/04/05

From: Chris Shea [mailto:cmshea@gmail.com]

[#297234] Is possible to define various methods at same time? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, is possible to define various methods in a single declaration? something

17 messages 2008/04/06

[#297268] Do arrays use up alot of memory space? — Clement Ow <clement.ow@...>

I just started ruby not too long ago and I'm really new to the language.

16 messages 2008/04/07

[#297365] Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Song Ma" <songmash@...>

F.Y.I

83 messages 2008/04/08
[#297369] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Avdi Grimm" <avdi@...> 2008/04/08

2008/4/7 Song Ma <songmash@gmail.com>:

[#297375] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Song Ma" <songmash@...> 2008/04/08

Interesting. But what I am thinking about is not the attitude of the author,

[#297417] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Rob Sanheim" <rsanheim@...> 2008/04/08

2008/4/7 Song Ma <songmash@gmail.com>:

[#297430] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2008/04/08

Rob Sanheim wrote:

[#297437] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/08

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[#297441] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/04/08

[#297444] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2008/04/08

I agree about the API docs. There has been talk recently about

[#297446] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/04/08

[#297472] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2008/04/08

Someone has suggested that but I haven't looked at it. I haven't

[#297479] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "s.ross" <cwdinfo@...> 2008/04/08

On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:

[#297484] Re: Ruby’s not ready - an indepth essay — "Kyle Schmitt" <kyleaschmitt@...> 2008/04/08

Php's docs are good, really good. But I always felt that it's because

[#297386] heavy loop functions slow — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...>

Alright so I was playing with my large amounts of data and ran into yet

13 messages 2008/04/08

[#297471] capitalizing words — Peter Bailey <pbailey@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2008/04/08

[#297512] output of a method to file? — Zoe Phoenix <dark_sgtphoenix@...>

Can anybody tell me how to take the output of a method and save it to a

16 messages 2008/04/08
[#297516] Re: output of a method to file? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/08

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[#297518] Re: output of a method to file? — Zoe Phoenix <dark_sgtphoenix@...> 2008/04/09

Maybe it would help if I posted the code, I'm not sure I understand...

[#297522] Re: output of a method to file? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/09

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[#297526] Re: output of a method to file? — Zoe Phoenix <dark_sgtphoenix@...> 2008/04/09

hm, let me re-phrase... I only have 9 items in that array, right? How

[#297633] My error or bug in "attr_reader" ? — Hexren <me@...>

Hi guys.

13 messages 2008/04/09

[#297638] FXRuby versus Tk — Alex DeCaria <alex.decaria@...>

I've done some GUI program with Ruby/Tk, and am able to use it fairly

16 messages 2008/04/09

[#297724] OT: "Unix" in Japanese — Chad Perrin <perrin@...>

Since I figure there are probably a few Japanese Unix hackers on this

13 messages 2008/04/10

[#297819] RubyGems 1.1.1 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

Release 1.1.1 fixes some bugs.

21 messages 2008/04/11

[#297827] how to create random object to a particular ruby object ? — Pokkai Dokkai <bad_good_lion@...>

how to create random object to a particular ruby object ?

22 messages 2008/04/11
[#297839] Re: how to create random object to a particular ruby object ? — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2008/04/11

2008/4/11, Pokkai Dokkai <bad_good_lion@yahoo.com>:

[#297845] Re: how to create random object to a particular ruby object ? — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/11

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert Klemme

[#297844] How to duplicate a object changing the class without attributes memory copy — "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@...>

Hi, I'm doing a server and want to avoid memory innecesary operations.

12 messages 2008/04/11

[#297884] delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — Saku Ytti <saku@...>

Hey everyone,

24 messages 2008/04/11
[#297887] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/11

Hi --

[#297890] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — Saku Ytti <saku@...> 2008/04/11

On (2008-04-12 01:32 +0900), David A. Black wrote:

[#297892] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/11

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:

[#297899] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — Saku Ytti <saku@...> 2008/04/11

On (2008-04-12 02:08 +0900), Robert Dober wrote:

[#297900] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — Saku Ytti <saku@...> 2008/04/11

On (2008-04-12 02:26 +0900), Saku Ytti wrote:

[#297914] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/11

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:

[#297915] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — Saku Ytti <saku@...> 2008/04/11

On (2008-04-12 04:04 +0900), Robert Dober wrote:

[#297917] Re: delete_if, select and (lack of) delete_if!, self.POLS == false — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/11

Hi --

[#297928] How to check record duplication before saving? — Frank Tsao <shuhao.tsao@...>

Hi, everyone,

26 messages 2008/04/11
[#297932] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/11

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[#297933] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/04/11

[#297936] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — "RubyTalk@..." <rubytalk@...> 2008/04/11

If you are using Rails and migrations

[#297939] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — Frank Tsao <shuhao.tsao@...> 2008/04/11

RubyTalk@gmail.com wrote:

[#297948] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2008/04/11

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Frank Tsao <shuhao.tsao@gmail.com> wrote:

[#297998] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2008/04/12

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Todd Benson <caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#298017] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/04/12

[#298027] Re: [OT] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2008/04/13

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:55 PM, ara.t.howard <ara.t.howard@gmail.com> wrote:

[#298031] Re: [OT] Re: How to check record duplication before saving? — "Todd Benson" <caduceass@...> 2008/04/13

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Todd Benson <caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#297935] Looking for Hidden Gems — James Gray <james@...>

I'm hunting for some gems that are under loved, off the beaten path,

13 messages 2008/04/11

[#298122] How to reliably setup require path — Christian Johansen <chrisjoha@...>

I'm writing my first Ruby command line application (beyond a simple

12 messages 2008/04/14

[#298145] noob 'why doesn't this work' question — Vincent Angeloni <nospam7272@...>

Hi and greetings to all group members!

17 messages 2008/04/14

[#298193] Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgres maintained? — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Is there a One true Ruby Interface to Postgres?

53 messages 2008/04/14
[#298200] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgres maintained? — Reid Thompson <reid.thompson@...> 2008/04/14

John Carter wrote:

[#298203] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2008/04/14

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Reid Thompson wrote:

[#298339] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Jeff Davis <ruby@...> 2008/04/15

On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 08:41 +0900, John Carter wrote:

[#298381] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2008/04/15

Jeff Davis wrote:

[#298387] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/16

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[#298484] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Thomas Kellerer <YQDHXVLMUBXG@...> 2008/04/16

Phillip Gawlowski, 16.04.2008 02:08:

[#298488] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/16

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[#298534] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Jeff Davis <ruby@...> 2008/04/16

On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 08:49 +0900, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#302685] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Peter Booth <pbooth@...> 2008/05/23

I can see Jeff's point. If both libpq and the Postgres JDBC drivers

[#302687] Yup, it's call SQLite! :-)) Re: Is there a One True Postgresinterface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2008/05/23

Having started this huge thread on PostgresSQL, I found...

[#298205] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2008/04/14

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, John Carter wrote:

[#298223] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2008/04/15

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 08:44:31AM +0900, John Carter wrote:

[#298231] Re: Is there a One True Postgres interface? Is Ruby-postgresmaintained? — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2008/04/15

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Chad Perrin wrote:

[#298266] Ada vs Ruby — Marc Heiler <shevegen@...>

Hi,

101 messages 2008/04/15
[#298540] Re: Ada vs Ruby — fburton@... (Francis Burton) 2008/04/16

In article <5E300D89-09B9-4788-9E43-C2517C0E0A3C@games-with-brains.com>,

[#298577] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2008/04/17

On 16 Apr 2008, at 19:40, Francis Burton wrote:

[#298626] Re: Ada vs Ruby — "Eivind Eklund" <eeklund@...> 2008/04/17

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Eleanor McHugh

[#298275] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...> 2008/04/15

Marc Heiler wrote:

[#298383] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2008/04/15

On 15 Apr 2008, at 13:28, Michael Neumann wrote:

[#298400] Re: Ada vs Ruby — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2008/04/16

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Eleanor McHugh

[#298403] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/16

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[#298472] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2008/04/16

On 16 Apr 2008, at 03:40, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#298476] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/16

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[#298513] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2008/04/16

On 16 Apr 2008, at 14:42, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#298522] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/16

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[#298641] Re: Ada vs Ruby — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2008/04/17

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Phillip Gawlowski

[#298651] Re: Ada vs Ruby — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/17

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[#298267] checking connection to server:port [socket] — Kr Alfabeta <kristis@...>

hi,

17 messages 2008/04/15

[#298279] at_exit handlers and Process.kill — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

22 messages 2008/04/15

[#298318] Hash or bidimensional Array when key is case insensitive? — "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@...>

Hi, I've to take a decission about using an bidimensional Array or a

8 messages 2008/04/15

[#298369] Windows, Net::SSH: how do I use a private key (w / password) — James Dinkel <jdinkel@...>

Private key authentication works with this user, I know because I use it

11 messages 2008/04/15

[#298386] Check if remote server exists — Jeff Miller <loadeddesigns@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2008/04/16

[#298408] Parallel for loop — Fredrik <fredjoha@...>

There doesn't seem to be any EASY way of doing a parallel computation

24 messages 2008/04/16

[#298589] Ruby Hero Awards — Gregg Pollack <GreggPollack@...>

Hey guys,

16 messages 2008/04/17

[#298629] How to "break" a "case-when" ? — "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@...>

Hi, is not possible to terminate the body of a "when" stament?

16 messages 2008/04/17
[#298633] Re: How to "break" a "case-when" ? — "Stefan Lang" <perfectly.normal.hacker@...> 2008/04/17

2008/4/17, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>:

[#298635] Re: How to "break" a "case-when" ? — "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@...> 2008/04/17

2008/4/17, Stefan Lang <perfectly.normal.hacker@gmail.com>:

[#298711] system(ping) — Heinrich Piard <linux@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2008/04/17

[#298715] When are lambdas needed? — Stedwick <philip.brocoum@...>

I have seen many tutorials on the Internet explaining where lambdas

26 messages 2008/04/17

[#298739] forkoff - parallel processing for ruby enumerables — ara howard <ara.t.howard@...>

23 messages 2008/04/18

[#298883] why doesn't ruby have generics? — thufir <hawat.thufir@...>

Is it because Ruby is dynamic, or something else?

18 messages 2008/04/19

[#298915] Triangle Area (#160) — Matthew Moss <matthew.moss@...>

Apologies for the latest... Some busy stuff this week in "real life."

22 messages 2008/04/19

[#298982] Counting Program — "Will Mueller" <will.liljon@...>

I recently actually started "studying" ruby again and attempted to

18 messages 2008/04/20
[#298983] Re: Counting Program — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/20

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[#299006] Re: Counting Program — Dan Diebolt <dandiebolt@...> 2008/04/21

>it's as simple as ...

[#298986] A couple of questions regarding class design — "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...>

I am part way through implementing a Rational math class to further my

35 messages 2008/04/20
[#299079] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/21

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Michael W. Ryder

[#299083] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...> 2008/04/21

Robert Dober wrote:

[#299112] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2008/04/22

On 21.04.2008 23:28, Michael W. Ryder wrote:

[#299170] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...> 2008/04/22

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#299175] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/22

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Michael W. Ryder

[#299194] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...> 2008/04/22

Robert Dober wrote:

[#299202] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/22

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Michael W. Ryder

[#299234] Re: A couple of questions regarding class design — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2008/04/23

On 23.04.2008 00:44, Robert Dober wrote:

[#299012] Accessing Windows actions(Shutdow.Restart) — Raveendran Perumalsamy <jazzezravi@...>

Hi All,

14 messages 2008/04/21
[#299043] Re: Accessing Windows actions(Shutdow.Restart) — "Gordon Thiesfeld" <gthiesfeld@...> 2008/04/21

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Raveendran Perumalsamy

[#299068] Barby 0.1 - Ruby barcode generator that doesn't suck (that much) — Tore Darell <toredarell@...>

This is something I released a while ago, but I thought I'd announce

10 messages 2008/04/21

[#299204] Extending Hast class with custom [] []= methods — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I'd like to extend Hash class [] and []= methods in order to find a key

12 messages 2008/04/22

[#299222] Extract date from filenames using regex — Clement Ow <clement.ow@...>

I have my code which looks like this:

13 messages 2008/04/23
[#299228] Re: Extract date from filenames using regex — "Daniel Finnie" <dan@...> 2008/04/23

Hi,

[#299239] Re: Extract date from filenames using regex — Clement Ow <clement.ow@...> 2008/04/23

Daniel Finnie wrote:

[#299273] HTTP::Post - HTTP::Get (Can someone help me?) — Fred <nospam@...>

Hello,

18 messages 2008/04/23
[#299318] Re: HTTP::Post - HTTP::Get (Can someone help me?) — darren kirby <bulliver@...> 2008/04/23

quoth the Fred:

[#299387] Re: HTTP::Post - HTTP::Get (Can someone help me?) — Fred <nospam@...> 2008/04/24

Thanx Darren for the info

[#299407] Re: HTTP::Post - HTTP::Get (Can someone help me?) — Fred <nospam@...> 2008/04/24

resp.body is a php page => purpose is to see of step 1 is working

[#299408] Re: HTTP::Post - HTTP::Get (Can someone help me?) — Fred <nospam@...> 2008/04/24

The First step is to insert javascript into PHP page.

[#299360] Email/SMTP::NET Problems — Brantley Shields <brantley_shields@...>

Greetings,

26 messages 2008/04/24

[#299463] Pointer concept in Ruby ? — "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@...>

Hi, I'd like to have a variable pointing to a Hash/Array element, so

16 messages 2008/04/24

[#299479] Function appends same value to string based on number of function calls — vannuys@...

Hi Guys,

9 messages 2008/04/24

[#299508] pretty folder tree script — John <john.d.perkins@...>

Hola,

20 messages 2008/04/24

[#299531] Is there any nomenclature for private methods? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I don't like the way of declaring publi and private methods since it's not

12 messages 2008/04/24

[#299585] Ruby Minimalism — aidy <aidy.lewis@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2008/04/25

[#299608] Array inject function problem — Inbroker Adams <dadravu@...>

Hello Rubyists,

19 messages 2008/04/25

[#299701] help re recording/replaying (i.e. automating) HTTP interactions to a web-site??? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2008/04/26
[#299705] Re: help re recording/replaying (i.e. automating) HTTP interactions to a web-site??? — Peter Szinek <peter@...> 2008/04/26

Greg,

[#299749] Re: help re recording/replaying (i.e. automating) HTTP interactions to a web-site??? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...> 2008/04/26

sounds good, it support:

[#299750] Re: help re recording/replaying (i.e. automating) HTTP interactions to a web-site??? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...> 2008/04/26

PS. 4th question Peter I forgot:

[#299714] All occurances of a character in a string — Raghu Go <rgowka1@...>

Hi - I am trying to figure out the ruby way of printing all occurances

14 messages 2008/04/26

[#299742] Typed ruby — Joe K <jkauzlar@...>

I realize there is a holy war attached to this subject, but it would be nice

15 messages 2008/04/26

[#299768] Transpose a large file(>2GB) — Ams Lo <rgowka1@...>

Hi -

18 messages 2008/04/27

[#299798] Ruby For Hackers — Luka Lukako <dezertir@...>

Anybody know how to writing Keyloggers in ruby, or trojans or other

21 messages 2008/04/27
[#299805] Re: Ruby For Hackers — Tim Hunter <TimHunter@...> 2008/04/27

Luka Lukako wrote:

[#299863] Apache2 conf and mod_ruby (mac os x 10.4.11) — unbewusst.sein@... (Une B騅ue)

15 messages 2008/04/28

[#299946] Array#first is not Array#[0] — Fredrik <fredjoha@...>

I made a class that is a subclass of Array :

19 messages 2008/04/29

[#300023] rails is a mess! — jOhn <netcam@...>

I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working and it

15 messages 2008/04/29

[#300077] Levenshtein_distance and recreate the string — Ams Lo <rgowka1@...>

Hi -

12 messages 2008/04/30

[#300078] What are the weaknesses in Ruby? — tenxian <hi.steven.tu@...>

What are the disadvantages of Ruby?

18 messages 2008/04/30

[#300135] How to create "def method(item)= (value)" ? — "Iñaki Baz Castillo" <ibc@...>

Hi, is it not possible to create a method to use in this way?

28 messages 2008/04/30
[#300140] Re: How to create "def method(item)= (value)" ? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/30

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[#300141] Re: How to create "def method(item)= (value)" ? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/30

Hi --

[#300144] Re: How to create "def method(item)= (value)" ? — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2008/04/30

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15 messages 2008/04/30

Re: Ruby's not ready - an indepth essay

From: Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...>
Date: 2008-04-09 05:13:12 UTC
List: ruby-talk #297557
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s.ross wrote:

| Sun (apparently) benefits when the Java runtime is distributed. All the
| hardware vendors benefit when more applications are written for their
| platforms. When I say these vendors have embraced Ruby, what I really
| mean is that they've latched onto Rails. They see the benefit of Rails
| and how people deploying more applications is a path to selling more
| platforms (either OS or hardware). Right now, there are fewer good Ruby
| programmers available than most other segments of the programming
| community. Good developers tend to be good learners, and the better the
| material, the more quickly they can learn. More programmers implies more
| applications, which may mean more indirect sales for IBM, Sun, etc. So,
| while they are not selling proprietary Ruby runtimes, there are many
| companies who profit if the people who write Rails apps can "speak the
| language," as it were.

Sun brought the JRuby project into its fold Java fold after it had
proven that it was viable. Without the docs. Same for IronRuby: MS
brought IronRuby into the .NET fold after it had proven itself capable
(and after Sun started to support JRuby, too).

To MS and Sun Ruby is a tool to sell *their* services, to lock you into
*their* platforms.

Don't think that corporations act out of the goodness of their hearts,
especially not publicly traded companies like MSFT and JAVA.

To these companies, open source, and open source projects, mean
outsourcing of development, and minimizing the risks they face, since
next to none of their developers are tied up in something that might
turn out to be a bust (Ruby is far, far from being a major player).

And what does that have with documentation: Nothing. As far as I can
see, there is little to no contribution by the JRuby or IronRuby project
to contribute to the documentation. And that isn't their scope, either.

And as far as documentation goes: Sun, Java, IBM, etc. are not
interested in supplying documentation. Why should they? We all picked up
Ruby with less than satisfactory documentation already. Why should they
infest money in something, that stops weeding the grain from the chaff?
When they get to pick those who have *shown* that they can dig into Ruby
without help?

Besides, why should Sun, MS, IBM, Oracle sink money into something, that
The Pragmatic Bookshelf, O'Reilly, and Addison-Wesley already provide?

Who here doesn't have either A) Programming Ruby, B) The Ruby
Programming Language, C) The Ruby Way, D) all of the above?

And why should we, as people who's skills are in high demand destroy our
own market by supplying good documentation? If Ruby and Rails skills are
in short supply, I'll see to it that I can extract as much money out of
clients as is possible. Especially because I *can* demand that much
money, because I *am* that much more productive in Ruby than in other
languages. It is illogical for me to destroy my own income.

However, I am illogical, and want a good documentation across the board,
because I think that not the language and its documentation matters, in
the end, but what is between my ears.

Still, no corporation has a particular incentive to provide
documentation if it costs them money.

Heck, they only need to get those of us into their boat, that are
already there. They don't need to actively increase the pool of Ruby
programmers, when we do the marketing much more effectively (who's
trustworthier: Sun's Ruby Evangelist on CNET, or you, when you talk to
friends how awesome Ruby is, because you can do all kinds of nifty stuff
with it?).

|> Sun, IBM, etc. profit by providing tools to developers. However, only
|> indirectly, since the runtimes, connectors, or IDEs offered are open
|> source, and not directly sold, or the projects were acquired to benefit
|> the core business (.NET/Java in case of MS/Sun, DB2 in case of Java).
|>
|> And the Rails hosters? How do they profit from a better Ruby
|> documentation? They only have to care about Rails' API, and the Rails
|> blogosphere covers that, too (see Railscasts, for example). These folk
|> care about easy hosting of Ruby. And IronRuby or JRuby make that easier,
|> as well as the new mod_rails by Phusion will help in that area, too.
|
| I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Rails
| hosters do not benefit from managing servers in a constant state of
| meltdown from rogue Ruby processes. Is this the fault of the
| documentation? I don't think so, but again, I believe it's possible to
| convince yourself you can write a Rails application without grokking
| much of Ruby.

Damn straight it is possible. It doesn't produce good apps, but since
when did quality matter? PhpBB2, anyone? NukePHP?

Sure, for good Rails apps that go beyond the CRUD application, you need
programming skills that go beyond has_many :through.

But don't overestimate the power of Ruby, compared to Rails abilities to
shield its users from writing more Ruby than is needed to get the job done.

Heck, with Rails plugin system, there is no need to write a particular
piece of code, unless on has to!

The work has already been done, and continues to be done, by the OSS
community. Why sink money into that? Why provide something for the
community, when the community puts up with (self-inflicted) abuse?

Why? It only costs them money and resources, they can spend on making
their core business attractive to us.

And know what: JRuby enables me to use the *existing* Java
infrastructure. To use the *existing* JRE and leverage Sun's *already
existing* investment.

JRuby helps sell Sun SPARC servers, and *that* is what interests Sun.
Not that Ruby is so much better than Java. It's a tool to give folk a
taste of the Java stack.

The same goes for IronRuby and IronPython.

And I love the irony that we are doing that ourselves. That we have this
adorable naivety, that Ruby matters because it is better.

I'm making myself a victim of Sun, MS, IBM, and Oracle. Again. And
again. But hey, Ruby makes for a very good carrot, doesn't it?

And hosters want to solve the hosting problem, not the documentation
problem. And, if possible, they only want to solve it for themselves.
Heck, with an unsolved hosting problem on the market, and demanding a
viable 200 USD per slice per month, a certain corporation recoups the
costs they have to invest handily, by solving that problem for
themselves, and getting a reputation for being the most stable host
among dozens for unstable ones. A Unique Selling Proposition handed to
them by DHH and the Rails community. Ain't live grand?

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