From: Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
Date: 2008-04-09T22:47:51+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby?EURO(tm)s not ready - an indepth essay

On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:04:28PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
> The single benchmark I pointed out was symptomatic, but the problem
> was ALWAYS that the shootout took itself too seriously, which
> encouraged idiots to take it too seriously. And yes, *that* message
> has been constant in my criticisms of your pet project, Isaac.

Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

> I didn't actually badmouth the shootout this time, Isaac. I said that
> the authors of the posts were idiots for using the shootout in a
> serious comparison.

I think you called the shootout "worthless."

The shootout is a metric, and it is a useful metric, just like the
benchmarks jruby and rubinius use to improve performance are useful
metrics.  You're right that some people apply the metrics beyond where
their scope, and they are wrong to do that.  However, your melodramatic
wording makes it difficult to take this point seriously.

Paul