[#11569] sprintf: Format specifier tokens aren't checked well enough — Florian Gross <florgro@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2007/07/01

[#11611] Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...>

Hi,

130 messages 2007/07/08
[#11625] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/07/09

On Jul 8, 2007, at 00:49, SASADA Koichi wrote:

[#11727] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/07/17

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[#11738] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/07/17

On Jul 17, 2007, at 01:26, NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#11752] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/07/18

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[#11794] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/07/24

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[#11820] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/07/26

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[#12323] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/01

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[#12330] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/10/01

On Sep 30, 2007, at 22:56 , NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#12637] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/10/13

On Oct 1, 2007, at 09:57 , Eric Hodel wrote:

[#12642] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/13

Hi,

[#12643] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/13

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[#12645] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/10/13

On Oct 13, 2007, at 02:00 , NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#12652] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/13

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[#12656] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/10/13

On Oct 13, 2007, at 08:00 , NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#12691] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/15

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[#12712] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/10/16

On Oct 15, 2007, at 07:14 , NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#12717] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "Leonard Chin" <l.g.chin@...> 2007/10/17

On 10/17/07, Eric Hodel <drbrain@segment7.net> wrote:

[#12729] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/10/17

Leonard Chin wrote:

[#12766] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/10/19

In article <4710890A.3020009@sarion.co.jp>,

[#12768] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/19

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[#12771] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/10/19

In article <4718708D.3050001@sarion.co.jp>,

[#12792] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/20

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[#12798] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/10/21

In article <471A1720.4080606@sarion.co.jp>,

[#12827] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/22

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[#12852] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/10/23

In article <471CAFE0.2070104@sarion.co.jp>,

[#12853] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/23

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[#12854] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/10/23

In article <471D4D1F.5050006@sarion.co.jp>,

[#12857] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/23

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[#12896] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/10/24

In article <471D5665.5040209@sarion.co.jp>,

[#12914] Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2007/10/25

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[#11642] Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords — "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@...>

On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 03:02:06PM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

21 messages 2007/07/13
[#11671] Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2007/07/13

[#11645] Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

20 messages 2007/07/13
[#11646] Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/07/13

Hi,

[#11647] Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/07/13

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#11650] Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/07/13

Hi,

[#11756] threads and heavy io on osx and linux — "ara.t.howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

15 messages 2007/07/18

[#11795] What libraries to be unbundled? — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...>

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27 messages 2007/07/24
[#11797] Re: What libraries to be unbundled? — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/07/24

I don't think that json should be unbundled. It is the interchange

Re: Proposal: runtime-modifying Kernel methods should be keywords

From: "Chris Carter" <cdcarter@...>
Date: 2007-07-14 15:39:12 UTC
List: ruby-core #11690
On 7/13/07, Marcel Molina Jr. <marcel@vernix.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 03:02:06PM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:
> > 2. Because many of these methods manipulate normally-inaccessible
> > runtime state, it is not possible to implement them in Ruby code.
> > Therefore, even if someone wanted to override them (the primary reason
> > for them to be methods) they could not duplicate their behavior in the
> > overridden version. Overriding only destroys their utility.
>
> I certainly have little influence in this matter, and your appeal is really
> targeted at only a handful of people (Matz, Evan, John, etc) but though I
> acknowledge that having that functionality implemented as methods makes
> little sense especially since all the state it operates on is hidden away in
> the internals, *my* interests and priorities would respond to that problem by
> wanting to consider how those internals my instead be *exposed*. In some
> cases that might not really be straight forward or make sense, and it flies
> in the face of all your desired optimizations but I just wanted to provide a
> perspective from someone with different priorities than yours.
>
> In almost all cases I would want Ruby to be more open at the cost of
> performance.
>
> Though I'm not against what you are proposing. Given the current state of
> affairs, it makes sense to make all those things keywords. I'd just rather,
> idealistically, move in the other direction.
>
> marcel
> --
> Marcel Molina Jr. <marcel@vernix.org>
>
>

I agree here.  Also, I would like to note that Ruby seems to be moving
away from keywords with return values (loss of yield), which I think
is a great move, and this pushes us back in the opposite direction.

We also lose the ability to cleanly create our own methods named
eval() on an object.  Say you have a MathematicalExpression class with
a method eval.  How would this work, if the compiler were to see all
eval() calls as calls to Kernal#eval?  I am sure you remember the big
discussions around #send that always pop up, people always want to
override methods.

-- 
Chris Carter
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