From: "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...>
Date: 2007-10-25T12:27:17+09:00
Subject: Re: Import gem to Ruby 1.9

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Hi,

Tanaka Akira wrote:
> In article <471FF3B1.3060103@sarion.co.jp>,
>   "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@sarion.co.jp> writes:
> 
>> Don't list 'maintenance' here.  When it's good enough, RubyGems team
>> will do it as I wrote in [ruby-core:12810].
> 
> The maintenance problem is too important to ignore.
> 
> I couldn't find a mail to mention RubyGems developper will
> do it.  Point me it.  Or, is it private discussion between
> you and RubyGems developper?

You misunderstand me.  As I wrote in [ruby-core:12810], if it's good way
to go, RubyGems team will adopt it.  If RubyGem team won't adopt it, it
means that it's not good for RubyGems.  From the very biginning of this
thread, I worked for bundling RubyGems as a part of trunk as is.

>> We've written our thought on this trade off many times each other,
>> without concrete grounds.  I still don't have any number to show so I
>> don't repeat writing my thought on this again. :-)  No other comments
>> from ruby-core.  The decision is up to core team now.
> 
> I don't know the definition of "core team".  What is it?

It's said for dicision maker(s) of MRI & YARV.  Matz and ko1, and some
comitters for each area who Matz is relying on?  I don't know exactly.

>> Issue #1 is for solving the problem how we map feature -> path to be
>> added to $LOAD_PATH.  Java uses MANIFEST in jar.  RubyGems uses gemspec
>> in spec dir.  akr's LoadError fallback uses file system wild globbing.
>>  Default Ruby require uses file system accurately.
>>
>> Can gem command of RubyGems can create a MANIFEST in gemspec dir?  Then
>> akr's LoadError fallback can grep it for finding rubygems to be loaded
>> or not.  It won't be needed as a part of RubyGems though.
>>
>> akr, let me hear your thought on this.
> 
> I'm happy to use such information if RubyGems provide it.

Thanks.  What do you think, drbrain?

>> I mean that you can use site_ruby but cannot use others.
> 
> I think I can use RubyGems if I install a library as gem.
> I don't understand what you mean.

[ruby-core:12854]
| I may use RubyGems.  I may use others.  It depends on
| situation.

Your proposal don't allow to use others I wrote in [ruby-core:12774] for
example, right?  1.9.1 uses rubygems when a LoadError given.

Regards,
// NaHi

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