[#144186] Re: array of object insert polices — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

dave [mailto:dave.m@email.it] wrote:

14 messages 2005/06/01

[#144206] Implementing a Read-Only array — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Right up front, let me say that I realize that I can't prevent

14 messages 2005/06/01

[#144224] Method Chaining Issues — "aartist" <aartist@...>

try this:

28 messages 2005/06/01
[#144231] Re: Method Chaining Issues — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2005/06/01

This is a FAQ, though no page on the RubyGarden wiki seems to address

[#144240] Re: Method Chaining Issues — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/06/01

Phrogz wrote:

[#144230] ternary operator confusion — Belorion <belorion@...>

I don't know if this is "improper" use of the ternary operator, but I

19 messages 2005/06/01
[#144233] Re: ternary operator confusion — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2005/06/01

true ? a.push(1) : a.push(2)

[#144257] Re: ternary operator confusion — "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@...> 2005/06/01

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 01:40:23AM +0900, Phrogz wrote:

[#144263] Re: ternary operator confusion — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/06/01

--- "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@vernix.org> wrote:

[#144453] RubyScript2Exe and GUI toolkits — Erik Veenstra <pan@...>

13 messages 2005/06/03

[#144487] Building a business case for Ruby — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2005/06/03

[#144535] ruby-dev summary 26128-26222 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

11 messages 2005/06/04

[#144579] Package, a future replacement for setup.rb and mkmf.rb — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...>

29 messages 2005/06/04

[#144672] newbie read.scan (?) question — "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus.lists@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2005/06/06

[#144691] making a duck — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

Regarding duck-typing... Is there an easy way make a "duck"?

27 messages 2005/06/06

[#144867] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list — dave <dave.m@...>

19 messages 2005/06/08
[#144870] Re: [PROPOSAL] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/06/08

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#144890] RubyStuff: The Ruby Shop for Ruby Programmers — James Britt <james_b@...>

Announcing the formal grand opening of Ruby Stuff: The Ruby Shop for

36 messages 2005/06/08

[#144966] python/ruby benchmark. — "\"</script>" <groleo@...>

I took a look at

78 messages 2005/06/09
[#144967] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/06/09

"</script> ha scritto:

[#144974] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/06/09

Hello gabriele,

[#144977] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Kent Sibilev <ksruby@...> 2005/06/09

Java is an order of magnitude faster than Ruby. The development of a

[#144980] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/06/09

Hello Kent,

[#144983] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/06/09

Lothar Scholz said:

[#145196] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2005/06/12

In article <9e7db91105061106485b68d629@mail.gmail.com>,

[#145207] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#145212] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/12

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145219] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145223] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/12

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145240] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145241] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/13

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145000] RDoc

Hi, I have a question. When I compiled ruby-1.8.2

13 messages 2005/06/09
[#145003] Re: RDoc — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/06/09

On 09 Jun 2005, at 13:55, Jesffffas Antonio Sfffe1nchez A. wrote:

[#145238] finding Hash subsets based on key value — "ee" <erik.eide@...>

Hi

17 messages 2005/06/12

[#145304] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>

= PDF::Writer

21 messages 2005/06/13
[#145411] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Jason Foreman <threeve.org@...> 2005/06/14

No love from PDF::Writer on Mac OS X 10.4.1. I hope to get this fixed

[#145420] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/14

On 6/14/05, Jason Foreman <threeve.org@gmail.com> wrote:

[#145432] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> 2005/06/15

On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145339] survey: what editor do you use to hack ruby? — Lowell Kirsh <lkirsh@...>

I've been having a tough time getting emacs set up properly with ruby

62 messages 2005/06/14

[#145390] Ruby and recursion (Ackermann benchmark) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

14 messages 2005/06/14

[#145586] How to make a browser in Ruby Tk — sujeet kumar <sujeetkr@...>

Hi

13 messages 2005/06/16

[#145636] Super-scalar Optimizations — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

I was looking over the shoulder of a C++ coworker yesterday, when he

14 messages 2005/06/16

[#145677] Truth maintenance system in Ruby — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Anyone know of any kind of truth-maintenance system implemented in Ruby (or,

12 messages 2005/06/17

[#145720] Frameless RDoc template ('technology preview') — ES <ruby-ml@...>

Hi!

17 messages 2005/06/17

[#145779] Newbe questions... — "Chuck Brotman" <brotman@...>

In Ruby Is there a prefered (or otherwise elegant) way to do an inner &

17 messages 2005/06/18

[#145790] GC.disable not working? — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

From what I can tell, GC.disable doesn't work. I'm wanting to

37 messages 2005/06/18
[#145822] Re: GC.disable not working? — ts <decoux@...> 2005/06/19

>>>>> "E" == Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@yahoo.com> writes:

[#146024] evaluation of ruby — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...> 2005/06/21

Hello all,

[#145830] preventing instantiation — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...>

What is the recommended way in Ruby to prevent other classes from creating

13 messages 2005/06/19
[#145831] Re: preventing instantiation — Gavri Fernandez <gavri.fernandez@...> 2005/06/19

On 6/19/05, R. Mark Volkmann <mark@ociweb.com> wrote:

[#145879] x==1 vs 1==x — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm against _premature_ optimization in theory, but believe that a

19 messages 2005/06/20
[#145880] Re: x==1 vs 1==x — ts <decoux@...> 2005/06/20

>>>>> "G" == Gavin Kistner <gavin@refinery.com> writes:

[#145943] Chess Variants (II) (#36) — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I don't want to spoil all the fun, in case anyone is still attempting

12 messages 2005/06/20

[#146038] 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Michael Tan <mtan1232000@...>

Just new to Ruby since last week, running my same functional program on the windows XP(Pentium M1.5G), the Ruby version is 10 times slower than the Java version. The program is to find the prime numbers like 2, 3,5, 7, 11, 13... Are there setup issues? or it is normal?

47 messages 2005/06/21
[#146044] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2005/06/21

Michael Tan wrote:

[#146047] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/06/21

* Florian Frank <flori@nixe.ping.de> [2005-06-22 05:40:14 +0900]:

[#146050] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/06/21

Jim Freeze said:

[#146132] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Mark Thomas" <mrt@...> 2005/06/22

Florian Frank wrote:

[#146064] rubyscript2exe — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2005/06/21

[#146169] spidering a website to build a sitemap — Bill Guindon <agorilla@...>

I need to spider a site and build a sitemap for it. I've looked

17 messages 2005/06/22

[#146178] traits-0.4.0 - the coffee release — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

15 messages 2005/06/22

[#146328] string to Class object — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...>

How can I create a Class object from a String that contains the name of a class?

15 messages 2005/06/24

[#146380] Application-0.6.0 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

CommandLine - Application and OptionParser

22 messages 2005/06/24

[#146391] ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails — Stephen Kellett <snail@...>

HI Folks,

21 messages 2005/06/24
[#146457] Re: ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails — "Dema" <demetriusnunes@...> 2005/06/25

Hi Stephen,

[#146425] speeding up Process.detach frequency — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Is there any way to speed up Process.detach? The ri documentation for

14 messages 2005/06/25

[#146483] I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Michael Tan <mtan1232000@...>

22 messages 2005/06/26
[#146485] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2005/06/26

Michael Tan wrote:

[#146504] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> 2005/06/26

For comparison, the port of your code to (less than elegant) C#.

[#146515] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/06/26

Brad Wilson wrote:

[#146491] What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Nugent <nugend@...>

This is sort of an interest gauging/feature request poll.

17 messages 2005/06/26
[#146506] Re: What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Amelang <daniel.amelang@...> 2005/06/26

See what's already been done before you get too far.

[#146517] Re: What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Nugent <nugend@...> 2005/06/26

Yup, seen the stuff on RedHanded, I was planning on writing a little

[#146562] RCM - A Ruby Configuration Management System — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi all,

22 messages 2005/06/27

[#146630] yield does not take a block — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...>

Under ruby 1.9.0 (2005-06-23) [i386-linux], irb 0.9.5(05/04/13),

48 messages 2005/06/28
[#146666] Re: yield does not take a block — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/06/28

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> writes:

[#146680] Re: yield does not take a block — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/06/28

Hi,

[#146684] Re: yield does not take a block — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/06/28

[#146779] Re: yield does not take a block — "Adam P. Jenkins" <thorin@...> 2005/06/29

Eric Mahurin wrote:

[#146700] Anything in new Eclipse for Rubyists? — "jfry" <jeff.fry@...>

Hey there, I know that a number of folks on the list use Eclipse as

14 messages 2005/06/28

[#146773] Programmers Contest: Fit pictures on a page — hicinbothem@...

GLOSSY: The Summer Programmer Of The Month Contest is underway!

18 messages 2005/06/29

[#146815] shift vs. slice!(0) and others — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

I just did some benchmarking of various ways to insert/delete

12 messages 2005/06/29

Re: yield does not take a block

From: "Adam P. Jenkins" <thorin@...>
Date: 2005-06-29 16:00:42 UTC
List: ruby-talk #146779
Eric Mahurin wrote:
> Personally, I don't think having yield as a keyword really adds
> that much value to the language.  The only advantages I see
> over explicitly having a &block arg and using block.call are a)
> it looks like smalltalk, and b) rdoc parses it better.  I think
> showing the &block on the def line makes the method interface
> clearer up front.  I don't use yield at all and haven't missed
> it.

I completely agree with this.  I think closures are one of the most 
useful features of Ruby, but I still don't understand what the point of 
having blocks and yield is.  In all other languages I've used that have 
closures, such as Scheme, ML, Haskell, OCaml, and even Javascript, a 
closure is just an object like any other object, that happens to have a 
special literal syntax for creating them.  If you want to pass a closure 
to another function, you just pass it like any other argument.

The way ruby does it with blocks/yield has several disadvantages:

1) There's an arbitrary limit of 1 on the number of blocks you can pass 
to a function.  If you want to pass more than 1, you need to convert all 
but the last block to a proc.

2) The block argument can be implicit, so you can't see from the 
function signature that there is a block argument.

3) You get a problem akin to Java's primitive/Object separation, where 
in some contexts you need a block, and have to convert another callable 
object to a block, and in other contexts you need a proc, and have to 
convert a block to a proc.

Let me expand on the last item.  In functional languages like Scheme, 
ML, or Haskell, all functions are closures, whether they're named or 
anonymous, and can be used interchangeably.  So, say I wanted to apply a 
function to each element of a list, I'd write something like this in ML:

     for_each myArray print

for_each takes a list as its first argument, and a function with 1 
parameter as its second argument, and applies the function to each 
element of the list.  In Ruby, since there's a distinction between 
blocks, closures, and functions, I can't just pass print, even though 
it's a function of 1 parameter.  Rather I have to wrap print in a block:

     myArray.each { |elem| print elem }

Wouldn't it have been cool to just be able to write:

     myArray.each print

Overall, it's not a big problem, but I do think the fact that there's a 
  distinction between blocks, procs, and functions is one of the main 
warts in the Ruby language.

Adam

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