From: xmlblog@... Date: 2005-06-30T02:20:50+09:00 Subject: Re: ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails Jon does a great job of outlining more of ASP.NET's strengths. ASP.NET is still my bread and butter and a really capable platform and I didn't mean to sound so down on it, but as he illustrates in his anecdote, the mass-market model of ASP.NET is not the model I want for my code. This doesn't mean I haven't been able to do things my way, only that it was more work than Rails makes it to do the same thing. I also had a similar experience in terms of "having more fun" building with Rails. As for the IDE discussion, I think both NetBeans and Eclipse are bloated, unnatural beasts but that is totally a value statement. Since I also don't do any professional Java work, I'm not qualified as an expert evaluator so that's just my $.02. John also mentioned one of the areas in which Visual Studio kicks the living **** out of all the other IDEs I've seen: debugging. Whether you love or hate Microsoft, spend a few hours with the VS debugger and a few hours without and I'm convinced you'll have to give them their due credit.