From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2005-06-10T13:16:07+09:00 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list On 6/9/05, dave wrote: >> I'm going to guess that you feel a novice user > I'm going to guess that you feel NOT a novice user ;) > > i care the ruby success and people in the elite like you should > help novice like me to join the spirit of ruby. The best way to do that is to read, learn, discuss and participate. Suggesting a new mailing list for the discussion of desired features is NOT a useful way to get into the "spirit of Ruby," IMO. If you have a feature you want in Ruby, just propose it. It might get shot down! The first feature request that I made -- on ruby-talk, I might add -- was shot down very quickly. I still don't think it's a bad idea, but it's just not a very Ruby idea. > > bad ideas to the list of RCRs > freedom of speech is more important than good ideas, Sorry. That's not actually true. In any case, you *do* have freedom of speech on ruby-talk. If you choose not to exercise it because you don't see a forum for it (despite the fact that *ruby-talk* is that forum, and RCRchive is for more formal proposals that meet a strict structure as mandated by matz), that isn't prior restraint of speech. > if you have 1 good proposal on 100 you have 101 happy people: the > 100 who expressed the ideas and the developer who has a new good > idea. Then express your idea. If it's a good one, people will say so. If it isn't, people will *also* say so. Either way, no one is stopping you. On the other hand, I think that it's clear that the overwhelming opinion is that this is a bad idea for any number of reasons. > > suby mailing list is a poignant one > is such ml an offical one? > does people know about the existence of it? > > the problem is the last. The problem isn't the last; people know about it. They just don't care to divide their Ruby reading that way -- and they don't necessarily agree with the discussion that has happened there in the past. (Some do; some don't. I am not passing judgement either way, but observing why there's likely such low membership on said list.) -austin -- Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca