[#144186] Re: array of object insert polices — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

dave [mailto:dave.m@email.it] wrote:

14 messages 2005/06/01

[#144206] Implementing a Read-Only array — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Right up front, let me say that I realize that I can't prevent

14 messages 2005/06/01

[#144224] Method Chaining Issues — "aartist" <aartist@...>

try this:

28 messages 2005/06/01
[#144231] Re: Method Chaining Issues — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2005/06/01

This is a FAQ, though no page on the RubyGarden wiki seems to address

[#144240] Re: Method Chaining Issues — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/06/01

Phrogz wrote:

[#144230] ternary operator confusion — Belorion <belorion@...>

I don't know if this is "improper" use of the ternary operator, but I

19 messages 2005/06/01
[#144233] Re: ternary operator confusion — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2005/06/01

true ? a.push(1) : a.push(2)

[#144257] Re: ternary operator confusion — "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@...> 2005/06/01

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 01:40:23AM +0900, Phrogz wrote:

[#144263] Re: ternary operator confusion — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/06/01

--- "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@vernix.org> wrote:

[#144453] RubyScript2Exe and GUI toolkits — Erik Veenstra <pan@...>

13 messages 2005/06/03

[#144487] Building a business case for Ruby — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2005/06/03

[#144535] ruby-dev summary 26128-26222 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

11 messages 2005/06/04

[#144579] Package, a future replacement for setup.rb and mkmf.rb — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...>

29 messages 2005/06/04

[#144672] newbie read.scan (?) question — "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus.lists@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2005/06/06

[#144691] making a duck — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

Regarding duck-typing... Is there an easy way make a "duck"?

27 messages 2005/06/06

[#144867] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list — dave <dave.m@...>

19 messages 2005/06/08
[#144870] Re: [PROPOSAL] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/06/08

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#144890] RubyStuff: The Ruby Shop for Ruby Programmers — James Britt <james_b@...>

Announcing the formal grand opening of Ruby Stuff: The Ruby Shop for

36 messages 2005/06/08

[#144966] python/ruby benchmark. — "\"</script>" <groleo@...>

I took a look at

78 messages 2005/06/09
[#144967] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/06/09

"</script> ha scritto:

[#144974] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/06/09

Hello gabriele,

[#144977] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Kent Sibilev <ksruby@...> 2005/06/09

Java is an order of magnitude faster than Ruby. The development of a

[#144980] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/06/09

Hello Kent,

[#144983] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/06/09

Lothar Scholz said:

[#145196] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2005/06/12

In article <9e7db91105061106485b68d629@mail.gmail.com>,

[#145207] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#145212] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/12

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145219] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145223] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/12

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145240] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145241] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/13

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145000] RDoc

Hi, I have a question. When I compiled ruby-1.8.2

13 messages 2005/06/09
[#145003] Re: RDoc — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/06/09

On 09 Jun 2005, at 13:55, Jesffffas Antonio Sfffe1nchez A. wrote:

[#145238] finding Hash subsets based on key value — "ee" <erik.eide@...>

Hi

17 messages 2005/06/12

[#145304] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>

= PDF::Writer

21 messages 2005/06/13
[#145411] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Jason Foreman <threeve.org@...> 2005/06/14

No love from PDF::Writer on Mac OS X 10.4.1. I hope to get this fixed

[#145420] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/14

On 6/14/05, Jason Foreman <threeve.org@gmail.com> wrote:

[#145432] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> 2005/06/15

On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145339] survey: what editor do you use to hack ruby? — Lowell Kirsh <lkirsh@...>

I've been having a tough time getting emacs set up properly with ruby

62 messages 2005/06/14

[#145390] Ruby and recursion (Ackermann benchmark) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

14 messages 2005/06/14

[#145586] How to make a browser in Ruby Tk — sujeet kumar <sujeetkr@...>

Hi

13 messages 2005/06/16

[#145636] Super-scalar Optimizations — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

I was looking over the shoulder of a C++ coworker yesterday, when he

14 messages 2005/06/16

[#145677] Truth maintenance system in Ruby — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Anyone know of any kind of truth-maintenance system implemented in Ruby (or,

12 messages 2005/06/17

[#145720] Frameless RDoc template ('technology preview') — ES <ruby-ml@...>

Hi!

17 messages 2005/06/17

[#145779] Newbe questions... — "Chuck Brotman" <brotman@...>

In Ruby Is there a prefered (or otherwise elegant) way to do an inner &

17 messages 2005/06/18

[#145790] GC.disable not working? — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

From what I can tell, GC.disable doesn't work. I'm wanting to

37 messages 2005/06/18
[#145822] Re: GC.disable not working? — ts <decoux@...> 2005/06/19

>>>>> "E" == Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@yahoo.com> writes:

[#146024] evaluation of ruby — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...> 2005/06/21

Hello all,

[#145830] preventing instantiation — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...>

What is the recommended way in Ruby to prevent other classes from creating

13 messages 2005/06/19
[#145831] Re: preventing instantiation — Gavri Fernandez <gavri.fernandez@...> 2005/06/19

On 6/19/05, R. Mark Volkmann <mark@ociweb.com> wrote:

[#145879] x==1 vs 1==x — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm against _premature_ optimization in theory, but believe that a

19 messages 2005/06/20
[#145880] Re: x==1 vs 1==x — ts <decoux@...> 2005/06/20

>>>>> "G" == Gavin Kistner <gavin@refinery.com> writes:

[#145943] Chess Variants (II) (#36) — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I don't want to spoil all the fun, in case anyone is still attempting

12 messages 2005/06/20

[#146038] 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Michael Tan <mtan1232000@...>

Just new to Ruby since last week, running my same functional program on the windows XP(Pentium M1.5G), the Ruby version is 10 times slower than the Java version. The program is to find the prime numbers like 2, 3,5, 7, 11, 13... Are there setup issues? or it is normal?

47 messages 2005/06/21
[#146044] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2005/06/21

Michael Tan wrote:

[#146047] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/06/21

* Florian Frank <flori@nixe.ping.de> [2005-06-22 05:40:14 +0900]:

[#146050] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/06/21

Jim Freeze said:

[#146132] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Mark Thomas" <mrt@...> 2005/06/22

Florian Frank wrote:

[#146064] rubyscript2exe — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2005/06/21

[#146169] spidering a website to build a sitemap — Bill Guindon <agorilla@...>

I need to spider a site and build a sitemap for it. I've looked

17 messages 2005/06/22

[#146178] traits-0.4.0 - the coffee release — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

15 messages 2005/06/22

[#146328] string to Class object — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...>

How can I create a Class object from a String that contains the name of a class?

15 messages 2005/06/24

[#146380] Application-0.6.0 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

CommandLine - Application and OptionParser

22 messages 2005/06/24

[#146391] ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails — Stephen Kellett <snail@...>

HI Folks,

21 messages 2005/06/24
[#146457] Re: ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails — "Dema" <demetriusnunes@...> 2005/06/25

Hi Stephen,

[#146425] speeding up Process.detach frequency — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Is there any way to speed up Process.detach? The ri documentation for

14 messages 2005/06/25

[#146483] I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Michael Tan <mtan1232000@...>

22 messages 2005/06/26
[#146485] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2005/06/26

Michael Tan wrote:

[#146504] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> 2005/06/26

For comparison, the port of your code to (less than elegant) C#.

[#146515] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/06/26

Brad Wilson wrote:

[#146491] What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Nugent <nugend@...>

This is sort of an interest gauging/feature request poll.

17 messages 2005/06/26
[#146506] Re: What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Amelang <daniel.amelang@...> 2005/06/26

See what's already been done before you get too far.

[#146517] Re: What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Nugent <nugend@...> 2005/06/26

Yup, seen the stuff on RedHanded, I was planning on writing a little

[#146562] RCM - A Ruby Configuration Management System — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi all,

22 messages 2005/06/27

[#146630] yield does not take a block — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...>

Under ruby 1.9.0 (2005-06-23) [i386-linux], irb 0.9.5(05/04/13),

48 messages 2005/06/28
[#146666] Re: yield does not take a block — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/06/28

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> writes:

[#146680] Re: yield does not take a block — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/06/28

Hi,

[#146684] Re: yield does not take a block — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/06/28

[#146779] Re: yield does not take a block — "Adam P. Jenkins" <thorin@...> 2005/06/29

Eric Mahurin wrote:

[#146700] Anything in new Eclipse for Rubyists? — "jfry" <jeff.fry@...>

Hey there, I know that a number of folks on the list use Eclipse as

14 messages 2005/06/28

[#146773] Programmers Contest: Fit pictures on a page — hicinbothem@...

GLOSSY: The Summer Programmer Of The Month Contest is underway!

18 messages 2005/06/29

[#146815] shift vs. slice!(0) and others — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

I just did some benchmarking of various ways to insert/delete

12 messages 2005/06/29

Speed concerns, rudeness, and narrow-minded excuses

From: Matt Pattison <matchbo@...>
Date: 2005-06-14 04:21:10 UTC
List: ruby-talk #145325
I've been a little ashamed to be a part of the Ruby community reading
the narrow-minded denials and excuses people have been given when they
voiced their concerns about Ruby's speed. One of the things I've liked
the most about the ruby-talk mailing list over the 5 years I've been a
part of it has been the incredilble politeness and open-mindedness of
its participants, possibly following the great example set by people
such as matz, nobu, Dave Thomas, etc.

Reading respected people in the ruby community such as Austin Ziegler
mouthing off at people's valid speed concerns like he is all-knowing
and they are "full of it", that benchmanks are "crap" or "bullshit", 
that people who support them are "fools", (quotes from the recent
Python/Ruby benchmark threads) I thought, has the Ruby community
changed now that it's grown in size? You can get this sort of
narrow-minded flame-war mentality any day of the week on Slashdot, but
I can't remember reading this sort of stuff before on ruby-talk from
long term posters, and I'm surprised it hasn't been challenged more
than it has.

I was drawn to the Ruby-talk community half by the fantastic language
which is Ruby, which I found so intuitive and elegant (even if it
always had a few rough edges being actively worked on in terms of
library support, speed, etc.), but equally by the incredibly
open-minded and diverse group which make up the Ruby community, where
people have a wide variety of interesting views I can learn from, but
always tend to resolve their differences in a much more polite and
educated way than any of the other mailing lists I've been a part of.

I would be very disappointed if this politeness and open-mindedness,
which I think is one of the key appeals of the Ruby community, was
lost, due to the vocal efforts of a minority, who try to force their
opinions down everybody else's throats in a rude and closed minded
way. I don't really care whether the Alioth Shootout benchmarks are an
accurate representation of Ruby's performance, whether PostgreSQL is
divine and MySQL is demon spawn, whether FreeBSD or OSX are the only
decent operating systems, whether Emacs is better than Vi(m) ;)  What
I care about is whether somebody who has an opinion (which I may well
disagree with), has the right to politely express it, and receive
polite responses in return rather than abuse for holding an
ideologically incorrect opinion.

For this reason I am making a small protest, here at the end of my
email where nobody will probably read it:

"Austin Ziegler does not speak for me"

There, I've said it. And neither does anyone else, regardless of how
respected they may be in the Ruby community, if they dismiss someone's
valid concerns as stupid, or "crap", or "bullshit".

Hoping that the Python/Ruby benchmark threads are an aberration rather
than a shift,

Matt


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