From: Ryan Leavengood Date: 2005-06-14T08:19:25+09:00 Subject: Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) My problem regarding these (or any) benchmarks is that a language could be tweaked and designed to satisfy the benchmarks, whereas real world performance may not be that good. It was mentioned how NVidia did this with video cards. I imagine this is part of the perspective that Austin is coming from. These are very specific, pedantic benchmarks that don't seem to allow any real creativity in implementation. The power or elegance of many of the languages is lost in implementing an identical algorithm to solve a certain problem. Surely varied algorithms that give the same answer should be allowed to show the power and semantics of the given languages? I'm not as passionate about this as Austin, but I certainly see where he is coming from. Ryan