[#144186] Re: array of object insert polices — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

dave [mailto:dave.m@email.it] wrote:

14 messages 2005/06/01

[#144206] Implementing a Read-Only array — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Right up front, let me say that I realize that I can't prevent

14 messages 2005/06/01

[#144224] Method Chaining Issues — "aartist" <aartist@...>

try this:

28 messages 2005/06/01
[#144231] Re: Method Chaining Issues — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2005/06/01

This is a FAQ, though no page on the RubyGarden wiki seems to address

[#144240] Re: Method Chaining Issues — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/06/01

Phrogz wrote:

[#144230] ternary operator confusion — Belorion <belorion@...>

I don't know if this is "improper" use of the ternary operator, but I

19 messages 2005/06/01
[#144233] Re: ternary operator confusion — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2005/06/01

true ? a.push(1) : a.push(2)

[#144257] Re: ternary operator confusion — "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@...> 2005/06/01

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 01:40:23AM +0900, Phrogz wrote:

[#144263] Re: ternary operator confusion — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/06/01

--- "Marcel Molina Jr." <marcel@vernix.org> wrote:

[#144453] RubyScript2Exe and GUI toolkits — Erik Veenstra <pan@...>

13 messages 2005/06/03

[#144487] Building a business case for Ruby — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2005/06/03

[#144535] ruby-dev summary 26128-26222 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

11 messages 2005/06/04

[#144579] Package, a future replacement for setup.rb and mkmf.rb — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...>

29 messages 2005/06/04

[#144672] newbie read.scan (?) question — "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus.lists@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2005/06/06

[#144691] making a duck — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

Regarding duck-typing... Is there an easy way make a "duck"?

27 messages 2005/06/06

[#144867] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list — dave <dave.m@...>

19 messages 2005/06/08
[#144870] Re: [PROPOSAL] ruby-wish@ruby-lang.org mailing list — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/06/08

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#144890] RubyStuff: The Ruby Shop for Ruby Programmers — James Britt <james_b@...>

Announcing the formal grand opening of Ruby Stuff: The Ruby Shop for

36 messages 2005/06/08

[#144966] python/ruby benchmark. — "\"</script>" <groleo@...>

I took a look at

78 messages 2005/06/09
[#144967] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/06/09

"</script> ha scritto:

[#144974] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/06/09

Hello gabriele,

[#144977] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Kent Sibilev <ksruby@...> 2005/06/09

Java is an order of magnitude faster than Ruby. The development of a

[#144980] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/06/09

Hello Kent,

[#144983] Re: python/ruby benchmark. — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/06/09

Lothar Scholz said:

[#145196] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2005/06/12

In article <9e7db91105061106485b68d629@mail.gmail.com>,

[#145207] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#145212] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/12

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145219] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145223] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/12

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145240] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...> 2005/06/12

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145241] Re: python/ruby benchmark(don't shoot the messenger) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/13

On 6/12/05, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:

[#145000] RDoc

Hi, I have a question. When I compiled ruby-1.8.2

13 messages 2005/06/09
[#145003] Re: RDoc — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/06/09

On 09 Jun 2005, at 13:55, Jesffffas Antonio Sfffe1nchez A. wrote:

[#145238] finding Hash subsets based on key value — "ee" <erik.eide@...>

Hi

17 messages 2005/06/12

[#145304] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>

= PDF::Writer

21 messages 2005/06/13
[#145411] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Jason Foreman <threeve.org@...> 2005/06/14

No love from PDF::Writer on Mac OS X 10.4.1. I hope to get this fixed

[#145420] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/06/14

On 6/14/05, Jason Foreman <threeve.org@gmail.com> wrote:

[#145432] Re: [ANN] PDF::Writer 1.0 (version 1.0.1) — Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> 2005/06/15

On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#145339] survey: what editor do you use to hack ruby? — Lowell Kirsh <lkirsh@...>

I've been having a tough time getting emacs set up properly with ruby

62 messages 2005/06/14

[#145390] Ruby and recursion (Ackermann benchmark) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

14 messages 2005/06/14

[#145586] How to make a browser in Ruby Tk — sujeet kumar <sujeetkr@...>

Hi

13 messages 2005/06/16

[#145636] Super-scalar Optimizations — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

I was looking over the shoulder of a C++ coworker yesterday, when he

14 messages 2005/06/16

[#145677] Truth maintenance system in Ruby — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Anyone know of any kind of truth-maintenance system implemented in Ruby (or,

12 messages 2005/06/17

[#145720] Frameless RDoc template ('technology preview') — ES <ruby-ml@...>

Hi!

17 messages 2005/06/17

[#145779] Newbe questions... — "Chuck Brotman" <brotman@...>

In Ruby Is there a prefered (or otherwise elegant) way to do an inner &

17 messages 2005/06/18

[#145790] GC.disable not working? — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

From what I can tell, GC.disable doesn't work. I'm wanting to

37 messages 2005/06/18
[#145822] Re: GC.disable not working? — ts <decoux@...> 2005/06/19

>>>>> "E" == Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@yahoo.com> writes:

[#146024] evaluation of ruby — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...> 2005/06/21

Hello all,

[#145830] preventing instantiation — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...>

What is the recommended way in Ruby to prevent other classes from creating

13 messages 2005/06/19
[#145831] Re: preventing instantiation — Gavri Fernandez <gavri.fernandez@...> 2005/06/19

On 6/19/05, R. Mark Volkmann <mark@ociweb.com> wrote:

[#145879] x==1 vs 1==x — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm against _premature_ optimization in theory, but believe that a

19 messages 2005/06/20
[#145880] Re: x==1 vs 1==x — ts <decoux@...> 2005/06/20

>>>>> "G" == Gavin Kistner <gavin@refinery.com> writes:

[#145943] Chess Variants (II) (#36) — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I don't want to spoil all the fun, in case anyone is still attempting

12 messages 2005/06/20

[#146038] 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Michael Tan <mtan1232000@...>

Just new to Ruby since last week, running my same functional program on the windows XP(Pentium M1.5G), the Ruby version is 10 times slower than the Java version. The program is to find the prime numbers like 2, 3,5, 7, 11, 13... Are there setup issues? or it is normal?

47 messages 2005/06/21
[#146044] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2005/06/21

Michael Tan wrote:

[#146047] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/06/21

* Florian Frank <flori@nixe.ping.de> [2005-06-22 05:40:14 +0900]:

[#146050] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/06/21

Jim Freeze said:

[#146132] Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Mark Thomas" <mrt@...> 2005/06/22

Florian Frank wrote:

[#146064] rubyscript2exe — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2005/06/21

[#146169] spidering a website to build a sitemap — Bill Guindon <agorilla@...>

I need to spider a site and build a sitemap for it. I've looked

17 messages 2005/06/22

[#146178] traits-0.4.0 - the coffee release — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

15 messages 2005/06/22

[#146328] string to Class object — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...>

How can I create a Class object from a String that contains the name of a class?

15 messages 2005/06/24

[#146380] Application-0.6.0 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

CommandLine - Application and OptionParser

22 messages 2005/06/24

[#146391] ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails — Stephen Kellett <snail@...>

HI Folks,

21 messages 2005/06/24
[#146457] Re: ASP.NET vs Ruby on Rails — "Dema" <demetriusnunes@...> 2005/06/25

Hi Stephen,

[#146425] speeding up Process.detach frequency — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Is there any way to speed up Process.detach? The ri documentation for

14 messages 2005/06/25

[#146483] I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Michael Tan <mtan1232000@...>

22 messages 2005/06/26
[#146485] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2005/06/26

Michael Tan wrote:

[#146504] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> 2005/06/26

For comparison, the port of your code to (less than elegant) C#.

[#146515] Re: I saw the beauty of Ruby Re: 1. Ruby result: 101 seconds , 2. Java result:9.8 seconds, 3. Perl result:62 seconds — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/06/26

Brad Wilson wrote:

[#146491] What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Nugent <nugend@...>

This is sort of an interest gauging/feature request poll.

17 messages 2005/06/26
[#146506] Re: What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Amelang <daniel.amelang@...> 2005/06/26

See what's already been done before you get too far.

[#146517] Re: What do you want to see in a Sparklines Library? — Daniel Nugent <nugend@...> 2005/06/26

Yup, seen the stuff on RedHanded, I was planning on writing a little

[#146562] RCM - A Ruby Configuration Management System — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi all,

22 messages 2005/06/27

[#146630] yield does not take a block — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...>

Under ruby 1.9.0 (2005-06-23) [i386-linux], irb 0.9.5(05/04/13),

48 messages 2005/06/28
[#146666] Re: yield does not take a block — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/06/28

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> writes:

[#146680] Re: yield does not take a block — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/06/28

Hi,

[#146684] Re: yield does not take a block — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/06/28

[#146779] Re: yield does not take a block — "Adam P. Jenkins" <thorin@...> 2005/06/29

Eric Mahurin wrote:

[#146700] Anything in new Eclipse for Rubyists? — "jfry" <jeff.fry@...>

Hey there, I know that a number of folks on the list use Eclipse as

14 messages 2005/06/28

[#146773] Programmers Contest: Fit pictures on a page — hicinbothem@...

GLOSSY: The Summer Programmer Of The Month Contest is underway!

18 messages 2005/06/29

[#146815] shift vs. slice!(0) and others — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

I just did some benchmarking of various ways to insert/delete

12 messages 2005/06/29

Re: Package, a future replacement for setup.rb and mkmf.rb

From: Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...>
Date: 2005-06-05 10:57:14 UTC
List: ruby-talk #144604
Paul van Tilburg <paul@luon.net> writes:

> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 07:59:15AM +0900, Christian Neukirchen wrote:
>> What advantages will Package have over setup.rb and mkmf.rb, as
>> they are now?
>> 
>> * simple, clean and consistent working
>> * unified library to handle both extensions and libraries
>> * lightweight approach (if included in the standard library)
>> * easy adaption
>
> Very nice.
>
>> * more flexible directory layout: especially small projects
>>   profit from this, as setup.rb's directory layout is quite
>>   bulky by default and not very customizable
>
> I am still not sure that this is a disadvantage.  Probably you are
> referring to the lib/<foo-lib>/ thing, to have to create that
> subdirectory everytime.  While this may seem bulky, it is easy for the
> mind.  You just know that lib/* is copied to whatever ruby libdir is
> configured.  The same holds for data/, conf/, etc.

True, but it does no harm if you can easily change it.
There may be lots of reasons not to use a directory layout like that.

>> * easier packaging by third-party packagers due to simple
>>   but flexible and standardized invocation
>
> This is a big advantage.  I've seen RPA make a small step in the same
> direction, being able to create the debian/ subdirectory for RPA's
> metadata file.  While the result almost always has to be tweaked, it's a
> big help as starting point.
> I think that I can speak for the Debian Ruby Maintainers Team that we
> will back this effort.

I've been talking to #debian-ruby yesterday already.  Cooperation with
packagers is important for success.  Packagers of other distributions
and projects are welcome to mail me.

>> What do we need to get a wide adoption of Package?
>> 
>> * inclusion in the standard library so it doesn't need to be
>>   shipped with every package (as setup.rb unfortunately is).
>> * backing from the community to make use of Package.
>> * acceptance from packaging projects like RPA, RubyGems and
>>   distributions like Debian, FreeBSD and PLD.
>
> Yeah, maybe the name is misleading.  It does nothing for packaging, it
> stays completely out of the packaging scope (although it's a bit
> relevant :)).  Something like distutils is also not really covering it,
> it does not aid in distribution, it is a system for
> configuring/building/installing.  Maybe Setup/Installer is a better them,
> it is associated with the act of copying the files.

I was just thinking, it *defines* what is in an Package, doesn't it?

>> Coding of Package has not started yet (the name is also not set into
>> stone yet, so if you have better ideas, please tell me) because it
>> would be pointless without a strong feedback from the community.  I
>> expect to get a first version done rather quickly, possibly borrowing
>> code from setup.rb and mkmf.rb, but Package will not depend on these
>> both.  If anyone is interested in helping development, please mail me;
>> helpful hands are always of use.  Also, there will be need for testers
>> on all and even the most weird platforms.
>
> I'll help you in both areas if and when I can!

Thank you, I'll come back on you.

>> Do you have further improvements or can provide alternative ideas?
>
> Well, I reckon that some things have to be thought out yet, there are
> many good things in setup.rb, mkmf.rb etc. and those things can be
> combined IMO.  We'll see how it goes.
>
> Just one thing. I think it's a good thing if Package should use the
> paths specified by Ruby's rbconfig, but that one has to be cleaned up.
> I hate to say it, but (at least from the perpective of a 3rd party Ruby
> distributor) it has become a mess. So something has to be changed
> in that area as well.

Being not a Ruby core developer, I don't have influence into that.
However, I think rbconfig can (and should) be cleaned up a lot.
Maybe you do want to bring up this issue on ruby-core?

For a start, rbconfig is useful enough for getting standard paths,
though.  Package will provide support to make use of alternative
paths, just like distutils do it.

> Good stuff, great!
> Regards,

Thanks a lot!

> Paul
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