[#41581] Ruby 1.6.7 dieing of segfault — Dossy <dossy@...>

I've got something that's fairly reproducible in 1.6.7. Is

11 messages 2002/06/02
[#41582] Re: Ruby 1.6.7 dieing of segfault — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu.nokada@...> 2002/06/02

Hi,

[#41660] dynamic attr_accessor?? — Markus Jais <mjais@...>

hello

16 messages 2002/06/03

[#41755] HTML Parser suggestions wanted — Ned Konz <ned@...>

I've written an HTML parser that builds trees from HTML source. After

13 messages 2002/06/04

[#41809] eval and local variable — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...>

15 messages 2002/06/05

[#41819] mod_ruby and module space — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

It seems that if I execute a script using mod_ruby, I cannot call

18 messages 2002/06/05

[#41867] Pascal-like 'with' statement? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Is there something like Pascal's with statement? I'd like to turn this

18 messages 2002/06/06

[#41919] 1-second events — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

I need to create an event that occurs exactly once per second.

15 messages 2002/06/06

[#42086] ANN: REXML 2.3.5 && 2.2.3 — Sean Russell <ser@...>

<posted & mailed>

31 messages 2002/06/09
[#42091] Re: ANN: REXML 2.3.5 && 2.2.3 — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/06/09

<posted & mailed>

[#42092] RE: ANN: REXML 2.3.5 && 2.2.3 — <james@...> 2002/06/09

> Well, XMLSchema may be troublesome to interpret, but it isn't

[#42192] ruby-dev summary 17252-17356 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

81 messages 2002/06/11
[#42290] Re: a new block parameter/variable notation (Re: ruby-dev summary 17252-17356) — Kent Dahl <kentda@...> 2002/06/12

Not wanting to flog a dead horse, but I just wonder what the final word

[#42295] Re: a new block parameter/variable notation (Re: ruby-dev summary 17252-17356) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/06/12

Hi,

[#42455] Application server & web developement enviroment — "Radu M. Obad磚 <whizkid@...>

Howdy,

14 messages 2002/06/14
[#42459] Re: Application server & web developement enviroment — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/06/14

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:55:31 +0900, Radu M. Obadwrote:

[#42472] ANN: Programmierung in Ruby — "Juergen Katins" <katins.juergen@...>

Programmierung in Ruby Online gibt es jetzt mit ausfrlichem

14 messages 2002/06/14

[#42504] Are Unix tools just slow? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

Awhile back I was asking for help with a unixy way to search the mounted

48 messages 2002/06/14
[#42516] Re: Are Unix tools just slow? — "Daniel P. Zepeda" <daniel@...> 2002/06/15

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:14:38 +0900

[#42506] Re: Are Unix tools just slow? — Rick Bradley <rick@...> 2002/06/14

* Chris Gehlker (gehlker@fastq.com) [020614 17:18]:

[#42512] Re: Are Unix tools just slow? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/06/15

On 6/14/02 3:34 PM, "Rick Bradley" <rick@rickbradley.com> wrote:

[#42513] opengl for ruby, please help — ccos <ccos@...> 2002/06/15

unix newby failing miserably here:

[#42507] mpg123 — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/06/14

[#42546] File.new('foo', 0600 , 'wb') — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

21 messages 2002/06/15
[#42552] Re: File.new('foo', 0600 , 'wb') — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/06/15

Dossy wrote:

[#42591] Kernel#select questions — Wilkes Joiner <boognish23@...>

I'm trying to track down a bug where Kernel#select is returning [[],[],[]] as

12 messages 2002/06/17

[#42617] eRuby on Mac OS X — Jim Menard <jimm@...>

I've searched ruby-talk for this topic, and the only messages I found show

13 messages 2002/06/17

[#42674] REXML in C — "Radu M. Obad磚 <whizkid@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/06/18

[#42771] Why is I/O slow? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...>

Ok, folk, time to try again. It's nothing to do with SHA-1.

61 messages 2002/06/20
[#42831] Re: Why is I/O slow? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...> 2002/06/21

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#42836] RE: Why is I/O slow? — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/06/21

> With respect, this doesn't sound like a smart idea. The glibc folk have

[#42838] Re: Why is I/O slow? — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/06/21

On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:10 pm, Mike Campbell wrote:

[#42839] Re: Why is I/O slow? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/06/21

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:16:24 +0900, Albert Wagner wrote:

[#42928] GOOD DEAL — "DR. ISA BELLO" <dr_isa@...>

FROM:DR ISA BELLO

11 messages 2002/06/22

[#42982] No exceptions from String#to_i — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been bitten by this before... maybe

19 messages 2002/06/24
[#42983] Re: No exceptions from String#to_i — ts <decoux@...> 2002/06/24

>>>>> "H" == Hal E Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:

[#42986] Re: No exceptions from String#to_i — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/06/24

[#43122] Re: help (ruby-talk ML) — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>

20 messages 2002/06/27
[#43123] Re: help (ruby-talk ML) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/06/27

Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@yahoo.com> writes:

[#43124] RE: help (ruby-talk ML) — Bob Calco <robert.calco@...> 2002/06/27

Yes, I would gladly volunteer considerable effort to this end. I have

[#43147] Ruby on Mac OS X — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2002/06/28

[#43174] eruby SAFE question — Dylan Northrup <docx@...>

I'm trying to implement a replacement for the standard apache file listings

39 messages 2002/06/28
[#43249] documentation licenses (was: eruby SAFE question) — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/06/30

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#43250] Re: documentation licenses (was: eruby SAFE question) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/06/30

Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> writes:

[#43255] RE: documentation licenses (was: eruby SAFE question) — <james@...> 2002/06/30

>

[#43280] Re: documentation licenses (was: eruby SAFE question) — "Juergen Katins" <juergen.katins@...> 2002/07/01

Tobias Reif wrote

[#43282] Re: documentation licenses (was: eruby SAFE question) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/07/01

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Juergen Katins wrote:

[#43381] RE: documentation licenses (was: eruby SAFE question) — <james@...> 2002/07/02

> From: David Alan Black [mailto:dblack@candle.superlink.net]

RE: ANN: REXML 2.3.5 && 2.2.3

From: <james@...>
Date: 2002-06-10 19:20:16 UTC
List: ruby-talk #42179
> >  I tend to believe that
> > you can't have enough validation.
>
>
> I agree.


What I've found, though, is that that cost of incessant validation is often
much greater than the cost of recovering from an exception when bad data or
markup is allowed too far along a processing path.  It is, in some ways,
similar to static types in a programming languages.

If you're passing along financial information then perhaps obsessive
validation is a good thing (though even then the validation should focus on
amounts and account information, i.e. the data, not the markup).  If you're
processing less-critical XML-RPC requests, then its arguably simpler to let
bad requests simply fail somewhere along the processing path.  For most of
what I've worked on, so long as the XML was well-formed, and had some
minimum amount of data, it was worth trying to do something with it.
Regular expressions served as the most practical form of validation;
anything remotely like a schema was overkill.


Larry Wall once said that systems should be generous in what they accept,
and strict in what they emit.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/larry.html

It's a rather broad statement, but I've taken to mean that the burden of
correctness is on the sender.  The receiver needs only do enough to balance
the cost of a possible problem with the cost of problem prevention.  One
system I worked on received XML requests for hotel reservations.  Now, the
code could have a) checked the request against a schema, and then b) move
on to extracting the data and processing.  Or just do (b).  If the data or
markup was bad, then just doing (b) meant an exception was raised after
some wasted processing (i.e., the work done until the bad data or markup
was encountered was fruitless)

However, 99.999% of the time the request was fine.  So, had we done
"proper" validation, far more wasted processing would have occurred.

Preventing a problem may be more of a problem then the problem you're
trying to prevent.

James

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