From: Chris Gehlker Date: 2002-06-29T11:58:22+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby on Mac OS X On 6/28/02 12:41 AM, "Tobias Reif" wrote: > Hi, > > I heard that Apple will ship Mac OS X Jaguar with Ruby. I heard that it was going to be in the server version. This is the first I've heard about the desktop version. > Are there any plans for making this a well-rounded and integrated package? Apple is still making the videos available only to paying ADC members. I'd like to hear from anyone who has seen them > I just thought that it might be good if Mac users from the Ruby > community would offer to give them advice on what to package with it > etc, so that people new to Ruby will find the right libs, and to improve > platform independence of Ruby programs (perhaps it should have a > similiar list as the PragProg installer). I have very mixed feelings about the platform independence thing. The positive aspects of platform independence are obvious. But I can't help feeling that Ruby won't penetrate very far in the mac market until it's a macro language as well as a scripting language. Right now it leaves way to much on the table. RubyAEOSA is a good start but it doesn't really compare with what's available in Python, Perl and AppleScript. And that's really sad because syntactically and semantically Ruby is a nearly perfect macro language. > I also think that it would be awesome if Apple worked on native GUI > toolkit for Ruby. (no AppleScript required) You lost me a bit there. What's missing from the C binding to Cocoa or even Carbon/Core Foundation? -- There is, nevertheless, a certain respect and a general duty of humanity that ties us, not only to beasts that have life and sense, but even to trees and plants. -Michel de Montaigne, essayist (1533-1592)