[#358392] Increase significant digits in Float — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

If I want to increase my significant digits beyond 15 in a result of a

12 messages 2010/03/02

[#358431] A gem for handling temporary file(s)? — Albert Schlef <albertschlef@...>

I'm writing a program that needs to generate two or three temporary

21 messages 2010/03/03
[#358432] Re: A gem for handling temporary file(s)? — Paul Harrington <xenogenesis@...> 2010/03/03

Albert Schlef wrote:

[#358443] Re: A gem for handling temporary file(s)? — Albert Schlef <albertschlef@...> 2010/03/03

Paul Harrington wrote:

[#358486] Re: A gem for handling temporary file(s)? — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2010/03/03

On 3/2/10, Albert Schlef <albertschlef@gmail.com> wrote:

[#358485] Test::Unit::Omission - Unable to omit tests — Champak Ch <champaka@...>

I am trying to omit some tests while using the test unit framework. My

12 messages 2010/03/03

[#358551] Shared hosting recommendation? — Rafael Vega <email.rafa@...>

Hello!

10 messages 2010/03/04

[#358559] Limit number of concurrent running threads in pool — Joe Martin <jm202@...>

Hi

14 messages 2010/03/04

[#358576] A good portable text editor/IDE for Ruby? — Reiichi Tyrael <xxreiichixx@...>

I am searching for a good portable text editor or IDE for Ruby to use on

19 messages 2010/03/05

[#358586] Base-64 encoding--Just for the fun of it! — "Aaron D. Gifford" <astounding@...>

Yes, there's always:

10 messages 2010/03/05

[#358611] On what of these books is better to start to study Ruby? — Vlad Gerasimov <refermaker@...>

I have 3 books:

12 messages 2010/03/05

[#358634] Conditional keys in hash - out of the box? — "Sven S." <svoop@...>

Hi

12 messages 2010/03/05

[#358661] Why no TextMate for Linux? — thunk <gmkoller@...>

I spent some happy development time in "VisualAge" for Smalltalk +

42 messages 2010/03/06

[#358702] win32console 1.3.0.beta2 Released — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...>

win32console version 1.3.0.beta2 has been released!

17 messages 2010/03/07

[#358757] Shortest code — Prasanth Ravi <dare.take@...>

hi i'm a newbie in ruby and was test out some interesting problems in

18 messages 2010/03/08

[#358885] reading an UTF-8 encoded file — unbewusst.sein@... (Une B騅ue)

13 messages 2010/03/10

[#359008] Dir.glob problem — David Vlad <cluny_gisslaren@...>

In the program Im making I need to read some wma files into a variable

21 messages 2010/03/12

[#359031] Newbie Help : Object — Jerome David Sallinger <imran.nazir@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2010/03/13

[#359090] Overriding new? — Andrea Dallera <andrea@...>

Hi everybody,

19 messages 2010/03/15
[#359091] Re: Overriding new? — Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist@...> 2010/03/15

[#359093] Re: Overriding new? — Andrea Dallera <andrea@...> 2010/03/15

Hei Chuck,

[#359130] Recommended way to install Rubygems — Leslie Viljoen <leslieviljoen@...>

Hi!

64 messages 2010/03/16
[#359175] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2010/03/17

On Mar 16, 2010, at 03:22, Leslie Viljoen wrote:

[#359176] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2010/03/17

(Please Cc me when replying, I don't follow ruby-talk@ closely enough to

[#359183] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Nick Brown <nick@...> 2010/03/18

Lucas: Thanks for maintaining the Ruby package in Ubuntu!

[#359187] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2010/03/18

On 18/03/10 at 13:36 +0900, Nick Brown wrote:

[#359200] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Nick Brown <nick@...> 2010/03/18

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

[#359204] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2010/03/18

On 18/03/10 at 23:05 +0900, Nick Brown wrote:

[#359210] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2010/03/18

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Lucas Nussbaum

[#359215] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2010/03/18

On 18/03/10 at 23:45 +0900, Rick DeNatale wrote:

[#359230] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...> 2010/03/18

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

[#359233] Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2010/03/18

On 19/03/10 at 02:49 +0900, Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#359171] Replace Text at Specific Positions Across Files — Shiny Hydra <slotriof@...>

Hello everyone,

12 messages 2010/03/17
[#359192] Re: Replace Text at Specific Positions Across Files — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/03/18

2010/3/17 Shiny Hydra <slotriof@guerrillamailblock.com>:

[#359198] Re: Replace Text at Specific Positions Across Files — Shiny Hydra <slotriof@...> 2010/03/18

> So your file has fixed width records? This is important to know,

[#359255] Grouping elements of an array — Steve Wilhelm <steve@...831.com>

I have an array of records that contain timestamps at random intervals.

24 messages 2010/03/18

[#359354] Living with a Swarm of Boids - A report from the front — thunk <gmkoller@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2010/03/20

[#359388] A plugin system using extend — Jean-denis Vauguet <jd@...>

Hi.

17 messages 2010/03/21
[#359394] Re: A plugin system using extend — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/03/21

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jean-denis Vauguet <jd@vauguet.fr> wrote:

[#359398] Re: A plugin system using extend — Jean-denis Vauguet <jd@...> 2010/03/21

Thank you Josh. Actually I've already tested what you wrote and that's

[#359402] Re: A plugin system using extend — Jean-denis Vauguet <jd@...> 2010/03/21

Another idea I had is the following:

[#359410] Re: A plugin system using extend — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2010/03/21

On Mar 21, 2010, at 2:13 AM, Jean-denis Vauguet wrote:

[#359420] Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Hawksury Gear <blackhawk_932@...>

Hello,

23 messages 2010/03/21
[#359422] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Jonathan Nielsen <jonathan@...> 2010/03/21

> I am trying to "Read Content" of all the files from a Directory. So far

[#359423] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Jonathan Nielsen <jonathan@...> 2010/03/21

> arr =3D Dir.open("K:/test").entries

[#359464] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/03/22

2010/3/21 Jonathan Nielsen <jonathan@jmnet.us>:

[#360368] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Hawksury Gear <blackhawk_932@...> 2010/04/04

> If it is only for output purposes, we can actually do it in one line:

[#360370] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2010/04/04

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Hawksury Gear <blackhawk_932@hotmail.com> w=

[#360373] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Hawksury Gear <blackhawk_932@...> 2010/04/04

Thanks for replying ,when I am doing

[#360374] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Hassan Schroeder <hassan.schroeder@...> 2010/04/04

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Hawksury Gear <blackhawk_932@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#360375] Re: Reading contents of all files from a Directory — Hawksury Gear <blackhawk_932@...> 2010/04/04

Hassan Schroeder wrote:

[#359662] index of string from beginning of line vs beginning of file — "Jesse B." <jessebos@...>

I am trying to write a basic script to implement "silent comments"

10 messages 2010/03/25
[#359663] Re: index of string from beginning of line vs beginning of file — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2010/03/25

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Jesse B. <jessebos@aol.com> wrote:

[#359684] Ruby Summer of Code 2010 — Jeremy Kemper <jeremy@...>

Fellow Rubyists, I'm proud to announce the first annual Ruby Summer of Code.

20 messages 2010/03/26
[#359985] Re: [ANN] Ruby Summer of Code 2010 — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2010/03/30

Jeremy Kemper wrote:

[#359697] Ruby and user documentation — Michel Demazure <michel@...>

Hi all,

20 messages 2010/03/26

[#359749] Boid writeup idea — thunk <gmkoller@...>

30 messages 2010/03/26

[#359909] return number of spaces at the beginning of a line — "Jesse B." <jessebos@...>

How would I find the number of spaces at the beginning of a line before

28 messages 2010/03/30
[#359925] Re: return number of spaces at the beginning of a line — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/03/30

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Jesse B. <jessebos@aol.com> wrote:

[#359941] Re: return number of spaces at the beginning of a line — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/03/30

2010/3/30 Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com>:

[#359945] Re: return number of spaces at the beginning of a line — "Jesse B." <jessebos@...> 2010/03/30

This second post with the "spaces only" fix seems to meet all the needs

[#359961] Re: return number of spaces at the beginning of a line — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/03/30

2010/3/30 Jesse B. <jessebos@aol.com>:

[#360011] RubyDictionary - First Try — Max Schmidt <max.schmidt.privat@...>

Hello folks,

12 messages 2010/03/30
[#360035] Re: RubyDictionary - First Try — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2010/03/31

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Max Schmidt

[#360033] Playing Games with "Ruids" — thunk <gmkoller@...>

46 messages 2010/03/31

Re: Recommended way to install Rubygems

From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...>
Date: 2010-03-18 22:38:55 UTC
List: ruby-talk #359254
On 19/03/10 at 07:14 +0900, Rick DeNatale wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Lucas Nussbaum
> <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net> wrote:
> > I think that rubygems and emerge and actually quite similar, which
> > probably explains why they work together well. Rubygems is a great tool
> > for developers who want to get the latest cutting edge software.
> > However, at some point, applications are transferred from developers to
> > sysadmins, and "cutting edge" isn't really a good selling point.
> > Internally (in an organization) it's fine, because you can just
> > vendorize all the gems you use. But if you want to distribute your
> > application to the outside world, it's difficult to explain that the
> > user needs to use rubygems to install that application because it's
> > written in ruby, while the ruby is just interested in the functionality
> > provided by the application, and doesn't care whether it's perl or ruby.
> 
> I assume you mean that "the user doesn't care whether it's perl or ruby."

Yes. I clearly sent too many mails on this list today, but people keep
replying to me with interesting comments!! ;)

> Actually control, or lack of control over configuration management
> cuts both ways.
> 
> I the case of OO base framework code, you can't safely change versions
> of the framework and the application based on the framework.  Back in
> the late 80s early 90s, everyone got excited over the early
> application frameworks like MacApp and NextStep, and all of the guys
> developing operating systems got the idea of building operating
> systems with frameworks as the API.  This just doesn't work.  I know,
> I was there.
> 
> http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/2007/06/15/a-meeting-with-gill-bates
> 
> And for those who might be slow, I just switched the first letters in
> Gill Bates first and last names. <G>
> 
> MacApp, NextStep, and Rails work only when the application can freeze
> to a particular version of the framework, moving between versions of
> the framework inevitably involves some rewrite of the application.
> 
> This is why it's very wise to freeze gems in a Rails application.  And
> when this is done, by the way, you don't need gems to install the app,
> you typically deploy it via checking it out from a source code
> repository, and the gems are put in the right place within THAT
> APPLICATIONS file hierarchy.
> 
> I know folks who've been bitten when they haven't vendored gems and
> deployed to a hosting provider, who took it upon themselves to upgrade
> the SYSTEM without knowing about the need for independent
> configuration management for the customer's application(s).
> 
> And other users got bitten when their hosting provider (or they
> themselves) upgraded the Ruby 1.8 package and got Ruby 1.8.6 changed
> out to 1.8.7 before their code, or rails or ... was compatible with
> 1.8.7.
> 
> Now I know that 1.8.7 maybe shouldn't have made some of the changes it
> did, and I argued against this at the time, but it's not a question of
> who is to blame, it's a question of recognizing that seeing
> configuration management as solely the concern of system
> administrators is problematical at best.

Thanks for the very interesting link.

I understand why it is necessary to freeze the rails version for an
application, and why such framework are a different problem.

However, that's only a small part of the issue: most gems that are
typically vendored are only used through a relatively simple API, and
there's no real reason to vendor and freeze those.  And the core+stdlib
don't really have valid reasons for significantly breaking the API,
especially between versions of Ruby 1.8.7.X.

Of course, that requires efforts. But the consequence of not doing that
work is that people tend to stay with ancient versions of the
interpreter, do not consider it interesting to try newer versions, and
we end up with Ruby 1.9: first snapshot package uploaded to Debian 5
years ago, and still not widely used by the Ruby community because the
cost of migration is too high.
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