From: thunk Date: 2010-04-01T20:25:06+09:00 Subject: Re: Playing Games with "Ruids" bottom.bottom.bottom line... I take some folks sailing and they look out on the water, then glance at their watches. I take others out sailing and we gaze in wonder at the patterns in the water, and the sky, and cry. There's an amazing fact here somewhere, we just don't "see" things all exactly the same way. Most of us know this, and even learn to enjoy it? _Why wrote some documentation for Shoes that made me want to laugh and cry and the same time... what genius, what what? But let's get useful. Step-wise-refinement, a fad that has probably dropped off the software radar screen? Works for me, or worked for me anyway. It has allowed me to do things "in my sleep" that others don't seem to be as likely to arrive at in their approach things. Thinking there is only one approach, or some close variant on this seems almost impossible to me in this in age. But there are probably "extremes" that one extreme cannot see any value to, that the other extreme cannot live without? It doesn't matter much to me, I found what works for me, and one of my "tricks" is to twist the work around until it fits a mold I do well with. Except for "Wee", that is related somehow to SeaSide, and speaks to me, my only other even marginally successful web work was done in Raw Rack. You Web guys are in a world I can't fathom - test wise or any otherwise. But I think I recognize problems, and I genuinely enjoy finding innovative solutions. (And innovative to ME can be something done at Stanford years ago or not - if they haven't solved the problem I'm looking at, or any that I see that exist out there with commercial potential to my thinking - then why should I care?) This domain stuff I'm doing would be almost trivial to do procedurally - but then would become an instant maintenance monster. No fun for anybody, rewarding on to the type of person that needs only to be paid by the hour? On the other-hand what I am doing keeps me fascinated because it is "revealing itself" as I work with it. And that is, I'm guessing, why it calls to some of us, oh yes, it seems to, and repels others with a somewhat narrower view of things. With respect to the documentation that _why produced for shoes, I really just wanted "simple definitions" and he was giving me cartoons. But, good gosh, I'd sooner cut of my fingers than tell him "to get serious". The man was doing what he did his way and I just naturally, cannot fathom the gall it would take to tell a man working to share something how he should do it. And lest somebody should infer that I'm comparing myself to _why, well I'm not. He was the real thing, I'm doing only the best I know how to do, the best way I know how to do it. No more, and no less. and that's the last on this.