[#370825] Syntax error — Anthony Ob <vidgametester@...>

ERROR

17 messages 2010/10/01
[#370828] Re: Syntax error — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/10/01

What are you expecting the "x:y" statement to do? I ask because I'm not

[#370844] how can we make a ruby compiler — Robin <r@...1.net>

how can we make a thing that compiles ruby into c++ source code?

50 messages 2010/10/01
[#370896] Re: how can we make a ruby compiler — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2010/10/02

[#371096] Re: how can we make a ruby compiler — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...> 2010/10/05

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:

[#371120] Re: how can we make a ruby compiler — Clifford Heath <no@...> 2010/10/05

Tony Arcieri wrote:

[#371127] Re: how can we make a ruby compiler — Michal Suchanek <hramrach@...> 2010/10/05

On 5 October 2010 07:10, Clifford Heath <no@spam.please.net> wrote:

[#371129] Re: how can we make a ruby compiler — Samuel Williams <space.ship.traveller@...> 2010/10/05

[#371130] Re: how can we make a ruby compiler — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2010/10/05

[#370878] New to Ruby, Looking for Help With Basic Program — Mica Koizumi <monkeymica@...>

I am teaching myself Ruby and am trying to figure out why this program

12 messages 2010/10/01

[#370897] Ruby String: How do I strip anything between two parenthesis — Frank Guerino <frank.guerino@...>

Hi,

9 messages 2010/10/02

[#370912] The Third Ruby - Ever Comes Out at Night? — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

Often you see that Ruby can be object-oriented, functional or

19 messages 2010/10/02
[#370915] Re: The Third Ruby - Ever Comes Out at Night? — elise huard <huard.elise@...> 2010/10/02

I guess you could work only with modules and class methods, and avoid

[#370916] Re: The Third Ruby - Ever Comes Out at Night? — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2010/10/02

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:27 AM, elise huard <huard.elise@gmail.com> wrote:

[#370918] Re: The Third Ruby - Ever Comes Out at Night? — elise huard <huard.elise@...> 2010/10/02

2010/10/2 Jes=FAs Gabriel y Gal=E1n <jgabrielygalan@gmail.com>:

[#370919] Re: The Third Ruby - Ever Comes Out at Night? — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/10/02

[#370952] Pass by reference and copy on write — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

I see

24 messages 2010/10/02
[#370955] Re: Pass by reference and copy on write — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/10/03

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@dos32.com> wrote:

[#370958] Re: Pass by reference and copy on write — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2010/10/03

On 10/2/10, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:

[#370964] ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...>

I'm trying to figure out what's so cool about Ruby. I need to create a

49 messages 2010/10/03
[#370982] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...> 2010/10/03

On Oct 3, 4:26=A0am, Ed Reed <joebanana...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#370996] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...> 2010/10/03

WOW! Thanks for all the responses and please accept my apologies for

[#371079] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...> 2010/10/04

Okay I've decided to start from scratch,... again. It's the start of a

[#371082] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Jeremy Bopp <jeremy@...> 2010/10/04

On 10/4/2010 1:30 PM, Ed Reed wrote:

[#371087] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...> 2010/10/04

My mistake on the gem commands. I did use the correct ones with dbd

[#371102] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Jeremy Bopp <jeremy@...> 2010/10/05

On 10/04/2010 04:29 PM, Ed Reed wrote:

[#371195] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...> 2010/10/05

The history.txt file for the mysql gem says

[#371209] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Dave Howell <groups.2009a@...> 2010/10/06

[#371275] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...> 2010/10/06

Thanks for the extensive reply Dave. I certainly appreciate it.

[#371330] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/10/07

Ed Reed wrote:

[#371455] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Ed Reed <joebananas10@...> 2010/10/08

Brian Candler wrote:

[#371413] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/10/08

On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 02:40:38 am Dave Howell wrote:

[#371690] Re: ODBC app in Ruby - I don't believe it. — Dave Howell <groups.2009a@...> 2010/10/13

[#370991] install ruby on the mac — Basi Lambanog <basi.lambanog.tuba@...>

hello,

14 messages 2010/10/03

[#371020] save only first line from string? — Terry Michaels <spare@...>

Hi. What's the most simple and elegant way to remove all the contents of

21 messages 2010/10/04

[#371023] How to suppress display of specific code in irb?? — Don Norcott <dnorcott@...>

I am very new to ruby (but a retired experienced C programmer) and am

14 messages 2010/10/04

[#371049] how do i delete files in particular directoryin ruby ??? — Amit Tomar <amittomer25@...>

Hii all,

23 messages 2010/10/04
[#371052] Re: how do i delete files in particular directoryin ruby ??? — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2010/10/04

On Monday 04 October 2010, Amit Tomar wrote:

[#371069] Re: how do i delete files in particular directoryin ruby ??? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/10/04

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@alice.it> wr=

[#371181] How can I count number of elements in an HTML page — Paul <tester.paul@...>

Hi there, I'm using net/http to retrieve some html pages and now I

11 messages 2010/10/05

[#371221] setting local variables in a binding — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

Why does this not work?

15 messages 2010/10/06

[#371226] XML-RPC WEBrick problem (error during method invocation) — Nikita Kuznetsov <moog_master@...>

I have a university assignement, and i am stuck. I am supposed to create

10 messages 2010/10/06

[#371239] "map" a deeply nested structure: Object#deep_map — Guido De Rosa <guidoderosa@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2010/10/06
[#371241] Re: "map" a deeply nested structure: Object#deep_map — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/10/06

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Guido De Rosa <guidoderosa@gmail.com> wrote=

[#371250] A Real World example for Ruby to "compiled" version discussion — Philip Rhoades <phil@...>

People,

10 messages 2010/10/06

[#371286] Why does Module#include exclude the module's metaclass? — John Mair <jrmair@...>

When classes are inherited in Ruby the singleton classes are also

11 messages 2010/10/06

[#371533] Why does a lot of code not include parenthesis? — egervari <ken.egervari@...>

I just started playing around with ruby and rails, and one thing I've

32 messages 2010/10/11
[#371534] Re: Why does a lot of code not include parenthesis? — egervari <ken.egervari@...> 2010/10/11

On Oct 10, 8:21=A0pm, egervari <ken.egerv...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#371610] Re: Why does a lot of code not include parenthesis? — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2010/10/12

vim completion works with, or without, the '(' and ')'. same with

[#371570] Can DRbUndumped be disabled for certain return types? — Josh Mcdade <josh.ncsu@...>

I have server model classes that definitely need DRbUndumped. Except

11 messages 2010/10/11

[#371580] more idiomatic way to avoid errors when calling method on variable that may be nil? — Charles Calvert <cbciv@...>

I'm using Ruby 1.8.7 patchlevel 249

34 messages 2010/10/11

[#371702] sort_by: multiple fields with reverse sort — Rahul Kumar <sentinel1879@...>

I need to use *sort_by* to sort a table, since the user could select

16 messages 2010/10/13

[#371704] Excel and Ruby — "Dan Sr." <djonavarro@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2010/10/13

[#371878] Is it possible to find out if an identifier is a method alias? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...>

>> def method; end

11 messages 2010/10/14
[#371880] Re: Is it possible to find out if an identifier is a method alias? — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...> 2010/10/14

On 10/14/10 4:48 PM, Ammar Ali wrote:

[#371896] Re: Is it possible to find out if an identifier is a method alias? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/10/15

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Daniel Berger <djberg96@gmail.com> wrote:

[#371978] mechanize - extract href — Corey Watts <cwatts@...>

Hey there everyone. I'm having a slight problem using Mechanize. I'm

12 messages 2010/10/16

[#372016] unable to preload "rbconfig" in my irb session — "Sandeep K." <uniqueembassy@...>

I'm using Ruby 1.9.2 with Windows XP as host, I ran the command

11 messages 2010/10/17

[#372070] su {block of code.} — Guido De Rosa <guidoderosa@...>

Hi!

13 messages 2010/10/18

[#372181] Help missing something BASIC — Don Norcott <dnorcott@...>

This code is conceptually what I want to do with the nokogiri code below

11 messages 2010/10/20

[#372232] about handling args in block — salamond <jarodzz@...>

Hi, guys.

11 messages 2010/10/20

[#372234] Long conditional statements — Courtland Allen <courtlandallen@...>

Some parts of my code call for really long conditional statements of the

16 messages 2010/10/20

[#372289] generating random argument lists — Melody Class <rmiddlehouse@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2010/10/21

[#372361] Why is top-level an object rather than just Object? — John Mair <jrmair@...>

Why is it that top-level isn't just the Object class itself? what's the

14 messages 2010/10/22

[#372493] Utilizing data from a csv file — Paul Roche <prpaulroche@...>

Hi I basically want to create a function that takes in data that has

20 messages 2010/10/24

[#372568] Can't get ruby serial port to work — Dd Dd <dd25@...>

I recently installed Ruby Version 1.9.2 on my PC. I am trying to get

14 messages 2010/10/25

[#372572] Extraction of single subarrays from multidimensional array — Maurizio Cirilli <mauricirl@...>

Hi there,

25 messages 2010/10/25

[#372704] rsruby install trouble — Guybrush Threepwood <deadpool93@...>

Hello, trying for no particular reason to create a K constant calculator

15 messages 2010/10/27

[#372760] undefined method `find' for.:Module — John Hammink <john@...>

Hello,

10 messages 2010/10/28

[#372820] Is this an effective loop — Ted Flethuseo <flethuseo@...>

I was wondering if a loop of this sort would be

13 messages 2010/10/29

[#372835] Dynamically reference instance vars — Greg Willits <lists@...>

If I need to dynamically reference instance vars, is this the only way

11 messages 2010/10/30

[#372886] the dark side of inherited methods — timr <timrandg@...>

Let's say I want to make a new class, Vector (that will function,

38 messages 2010/10/31
[#372893] Re: the dark side of inherited methods — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2010/10/31

On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:30 PM, timr wrote:

[#372951] Re: the dark side of inherited methods — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...> 2010/11/02

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:49 PM, James Edward Gray II <james@graysoftinc.com

[#372964] Re: the dark side of inherited methods — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com> wrote:

Re: Pass by reference and copy on write

From: Xavier Noria <fxn@...>
Date: 2010-10-03 19:15:11 UTC
List: ruby-talk #371002
We can't just let our imagination go and build our own mental model of
this stuff.

The public contract of Java and Ruby says you only manipulate
references to objects, not the objects themselves. For example, the
JLS says in section 4.3.1:

    An object is a class instance or an array.
    The reference values (often just references) are pointers
    to these objects, and a special null reference, which
    refers to no object.
    ...
    There may be many references to the same object. Most
    objects have state, stored in the fields of objects
    that are instances of classes or in the variables that
    are the components of an array object. If two variables
    contain references to the same object, the state of the
    object can be modified using one variable's reference
    to the object, and then the altered state can be observed
    through the reference in the other variable.

So it is not that Java leaves room for us to interpret that a variable
"user" can hold a real User instance and that these opaque references
are implementation details. You can't store a real user instance in a
variable in Java. Period. The language only allows you to store
references (modulus primitive types etc.). The contract is clear, and
from it stuff follows.

Same for Ruby. The Ruby Specification says for instance:

    A variable is denoted by a name, and refers to an object,
    which is called the value of the variable. A variable
    itself is not an object. While a variable can refer to
    only one object at a time, an object can be referred to
    by more than one variable at a time.

So it belongs to their contract that we are not storing objects,
rather we store some opaque things that *refer* to them.

Having that in mind assignments are crystal clear. Given

    a =3D b =3D [] # (1)

the situation is that a and b hold a reference to the same array
object. We all agree with this. And it is imporatant because when we
are talking about initializing method parameters conceptually
something very similar to assignment is happening. The JLS says about
this for example:

    When the method or constructor is invoked (=C2=A715.12),
    the values of the actual argument expressions initialize
    newly created parameter variables, each of the declared
    Type, before execution of the body of the method or
    constructor.

That's pass-by-value. And what is copied if we are passing object
references, is object references. They are kinda opaque, but they
belong to the public contract nonetheless and there's no doubt that's
what you're passing around. And that is what let you clearly
understand the implications of (1). And whay let you square why
pass-by-value and being able to modify a mutable object are unrelated
things.

In Perl the difference is obvious because for example @a holds an
actual array. We do not have actual arrays in Ruby or Python. If we
have in Perl

    @a =3D (1);
    @b =3D @a;

pushing to @b does *not* affect @a. They are actual arrays, not
references to arrays, and assignment copies. You can create references
with the backslash, which are scalar values akin to C pointers. And
more interestingly for this thread, you can create aliases:

   @a =3D (1);
   *b =3D *a;

Now @a and @b are variables that hold the same actual array. They are alias=
es.

It's been a very long time since I did C++, but if I am not mistaken
it offers both semantics, pass-by-value (which may involve a copy
constructor), and pass-by-reference, which creates aliases as depicted
in my post.

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