[#343034] RUBY vs COMMON LISP — fft1976 <fft1976@...>

On Aug 1, 8:55m, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)

16 messages 2009/08/02

[#343054] Inconsistency in Array#[] — Wojciech Piekutowski <w.piekutowski@...>

Disclaimer: I know what docs say, but I'd prefer a different

14 messages 2009/08/02

[#343135] Kind of ParsTree for 1.9.1 — Macario Ortega <macarui@...>

22 messages 2009/08/04

[#343186] Bizarre Range behavior — Scott Briggs <scott.br@...>

Can someone please explain this behavior in ruby (1.8.6p111):

42 messages 2009/08/04
[#343187] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yossef Mendelssohn <ymendel@...> 2009/08/04

On Aug 4, 1:47m, Scott Briggs <scott...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#343193] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/08/04

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Yossef Mendelssohn wrote:

[#343196] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — "Matthew K. Williams" <matt@...> 2009/08/04

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Rob Biedenharn wrote:

[#343199] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/08/04

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Matthew K. Williams wrote:

[#343234] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/08/05

Hi,

[#343251] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#343261] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/08/05

Hi,

[#343266] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/08/05

Hi --

[#343272] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/08/05

Hi,

[#343273] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/05

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto<matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#343235] remove commas from string — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

I have following string:

14 messages 2009/08/05

[#343288] including gems with standalone app — Eric Peterson <ericdp@...>

Morning,

10 messages 2009/08/05

[#343320] 1.9 String and M17N documentation — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

I have put together a document which tries to outline the M17N

20 messages 2009/08/06
[#343351] Re: [ANN] 1.9 String and M17N documentation — James Gray <james@...> 2009/08/06

On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Brian Candler wrote:

[#343378] Re: [ANN] 1.9 String and M17N documentation — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2009/08/07

On Aug 6, 2009, at 08:57, James Gray wrote:

[#343423] How do I add ? — chutsu <chutsu@...>

I've got a file that is in two columns, how do I add the second column

14 messages 2009/08/07

[#343566] Reading contents of a file and storing — Shekar Ls <idealone5@...>

Guys,

14 messages 2009/08/10

[#343592] Destroying related objects doubt ... basic oop question — Soh Dubom <sohdubom@...>

::Destroying related objects doubt

16 messages 2009/08/10
[#343726] Re: Destroying related objects doubt ... basic oop question — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/08/12

Yet another reason for steering well clear of object-relational mappers.

[#343751] Re: Destroying related objects doubt ... basic oop question — Fabian Streitel <karottenreibe@...> 2009/08/12

> Yet another reason for steering well clear of object-relational mappers.

[#343649] Good editor for Windows Ruby — Peter Bailey <pbailey@...>

Hello,

21 messages 2009/08/11

[#343658] Readline not working with Ruby — Stewart <stewart.matheson@...>

24 messages 2009/08/11

[#343756] Class#descendants? — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

Ruby can do Class#ancestors but not Class#descendants.

18 messages 2009/08/12
[#343757] Re: Class#descendants? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2009/08/12

Jason Lillywhite wrote:

[#343771] skip_before_filter (Do I need a lesson in modules/mixins?) — Cris Shupp <cshupp1@...>

Gurus,

13 messages 2009/08/12

[#343831] newbie question making a folder with ruby — Simon Staton <simon@...>

ok well the program I am in the middle of programming I need it to

20 messages 2009/08/13
[#343851] Re: newbie question making a folder with ruby — Lui Core <usurffx@...> 2009/08/13

Simon Staton wrote:

[#343898] Re: newbie question making a folder with ruby — Simon Staton <simon@...> 2009/08/14

Lui Core wrote:

[#343902] Re: newbie question making a folder with ruby — Simon Staton <simon@...> 2009/08/14

To give more of an idea this is the code that I have on the .rb file. it

[#343920] Class method aliased in superclass bypasses subclass overrides — Marcos <markjreed@...>

This seems like it should work:

11 messages 2009/08/14

[#344009] start_with? Does someone need a grammar lesson? — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...>

String#start_with?-------------------------------

15 messages 2009/08/17

[#344088] fromdos dos2unix in ruby — Krzysztof Cierpisz <ciapecki@...>

how can I achieve in ruby the result of running:

18 messages 2009/08/18
[#344103] Re: fromdos dos2unix in ruby — krzysztof cierpisz <ciapecki@...> 2009/08/18

>

[#344109] Re: fromdos dos2unix in ruby — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/08/18

2009/8/18 krzysztof cierpisz <ciapecki@gmail.com>:

[#344125] exercise in DRY — Peter Ehrlich <crazedcougar@...>

I have some simple code for a thumbs up/thumbs down functionality.

13 messages 2009/08/18

[#344180] #has_arguments? — Intransition <transfire@...>

Messing with optional argument check for the umpteenth time, eg.

23 messages 2009/08/19

[#344218] Confirm my Performance Test Against Java? — Ben Christensen <benjchristensen@...>

I'm evaluating Ruby for use in a variety of systems that are planned by

40 messages 2009/08/19
[#344222] Re: Confirm my Performance Test Against Java? — brabuhr@... 2009/08/19

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ben Christensen

[#344342] extending ruby - handling errors — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

I want to raise an ArgumentError, "Function only takes numeric objects."

11 messages 2009/08/20

[#344345] How do I estimate how long it will take a calculation to complete? — Paul <tester.paul@...>

Hi there, I wrote a short ruby script to calculate the prime factors

10 messages 2009/08/20

[#344366] Why, oh why, _why? — Karl von Laudermann <doodpants@...>

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!

79 messages 2009/08/20
[#344400] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Ralf Mueller <ralf.mueller@...> 2009/08/21

Karl von Laudermann wrote:

[#344421] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Ralf Mueller<ralf.mueller@zmaw.de> wrote:

[#344432] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Gregory Brown<gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344434] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Rick DeNatale<rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344441] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Jason Roelofs <jameskilton@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>wrote:

[#344448] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Jason Roelofs<jameskilton@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344453] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Jason Roelofs <jameskilton@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Xavier Noria <fxn@hashref.com> wrote:

[#344525] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/08/22

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Karl von

[#344526] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/08/22

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Todd Benson<caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344404] How to convert string "/regexp/i" to /regexp/i - ? — Joao Silva <rubyforum@...>

When i try to use:

20 messages 2009/08/21

[#344462] Github and _why — John W Higgins <wishdev@...>

I'm about to get very nasty responses but this absolutely is a very bad

19 messages 2009/08/21
[#344467] Re: Github and _why — Tony Arcieri <tony@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM, John W Higgins <wishdev@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344545] 1.8.7 String#lines keeps new-line chars (say it ain't so in 1.9) — Intransition <transfire@...>

Ruby 1.8.7 p72

19 messages 2009/08/22

[#344554] Ruby Editor — sasan <sasan.bahrieh@...>

I need a good software for ruby programming. please post message for

21 messages 2009/08/22

[#344573] ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...>

ruby-1.8.6-p369

19 messages 2009/08/22
[#344593] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...> 2009/08/23

...and more

[#344597] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...> 2009/08/23

> $ rdebug r2test.rb

[#344652] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...> 2009/08/24

Sys Ppp wrote:

[#344653] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...> 2009/08/24

...or I guess this would be a better example:

[#344656] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...> 2009/08/24

To 7stud. These are all normal, except class-method, as i wrote.

[#344691] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/24

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Sys Ppp<systemppp@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344705] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...> 2009/08/24

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#344580] Development - works, production not - why? — Joao Silva <rubyforum@...>

My development envrioment:

11 messages 2009/08/23

[#344680] Comparison Ruby, Python, Php, Groovy ecc. — Marco Mastrodonato <m.mastrodonato@...>

Comparison script languages for the fractal geometry, these are the

25 messages 2009/08/24
[#344684] Re: Comparison Ruby, Python, Php, Groovy ecc. — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...> 2009/08/24

Are those executables compiled with identical compilers + compile flags?

[#344717] _why's "suicide" note? — Graham Agnew <graham.agnew@...>

Just found this as _why's last tweet on the Google cached copy of _why's

12 messages 2009/08/24

[#344762] Calling method from another class — Kostas Lps <louposk@...>

Hi guys,

15 messages 2009/08/24

[#344872] ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

A friend of mine on Twitter recently posted this tidbit of code:

30 messages 2009/08/26
[#344879] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/26

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#344899] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/26

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Brian Candler<b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#344921] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/26

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#344923] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2009/08/26

Brian Candler wrote:

[#344881] # sign does not work as expected form irb — Salvador Sanjuan <salvador.sanjuan@...>

I have just started Ruby. I have tried to do some exercises usin irb but

15 messages 2009/08/26
[#344887] Re: # sign does not work as expected form irb — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...> 2009/08/26

Salvador Sanjuan wrote:

[#344988] Re: # sign does not work as expected form irb — Salvador Sanjuan <salvador.sanjuan@...> 2009/08/27

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#344938] Rack must not dictate how to create a middleware — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...>

In current realization of Rack::Builder the method :use dictates that

15 messages 2009/08/26
[#344940] Re: Rack must not dictate how to create a middleware — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/26

Sys Ppp wrote:

[#345037] Possible to use Ruby for Dynamic HTML sites without Rails? — Frank Peterson <fictionalperson@...>

How easy is this to do? I've been going though a Ruby book again (was

13 messages 2009/08/27

[#345070] I need a string#all_indices method--is there such a thing? — timr <timrandg@...>

In ruby you can use string#index as follows:

22 messages 2009/08/28

[#345079] #map, #select semantics — James Coglan <jcoglan@...>

I imagine this has come up before, though I can't find anything about it. I

16 messages 2009/08/28

[#345097] How to call this method — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...>

Hi list

15 messages 2009/08/28
[#345100] Re: How to call this method — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/08/28

2009/8/28 Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com>:

[#345222] Sorting an array by multiple elements? — Paul <tester.paul@...>

Hi there, I have an array of arrays that I want to sort by multiple

14 messages 2009/08/30

[#345267] What is the ruby conventions to name private method? — pierr <pierr.chen@...>

16 messages 2009/08/31
[#345274] Re: What is the ruby conventions to name private method? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2009/08/31

[#345322] help on phps $$ equivalent in ruby — Arthur Rats <simon.jacobs.ams@...>

i just cant find this anywhere, googling for a while and read up tons on

11 messages 2009/08/31

Re: R1.9 mixed encoding in file

From: James Gray <james@...>
Date: 2009-08-07 17:46:04 UTC
List: ruby-talk #343426
On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:41 AM, V咜 Ondruch wrote:

>> You are not allowed to set the source encoding to a non-ASCII
>> compatible encoding, if memory serves.
>
> Where is it documented please?

I'm not sure it's officially documented yet.

Ruby does throw an error in this scenario though:

$ ruby_dev
# encoding: UTF-16BE
ruby_dev: UTF-16BE is not ASCII compatible (ArgumentError)

and:

$ ruby_dev -e 'puts "\uFEFF# encoding: UTF-16BE".encode("UTF-16BE")' |  
ruby_dev
-:1: invalid multibyte char (UTF-8)

I believe this is the relevant code from Ruby's parser:

static void
parser_set_encode(struct parser_params *parser, const char *name)
{
     int idx = rb_enc_find_index(name);
     rb_encoding *enc;

     if (idx < 0) {
	rb_raise(rb_eArgError, "unknown encoding name: %s", name);
     }
     enc = rb_enc_from_index(idx);
     if (!rb_enc_asciicompat(enc)) {
	rb_raise(rb_eArgError, "%s is not ASCII compatible", rb_enc_name(enc));
     }
     parser->enc = enc;
}

>> That eliminates any issues
>> with encodings like UTF-16.  This makes perfect sense as there's no
>> way to reliably support the magic encoding comment unless we can  
>> count
>> on being able to read at least that far.
>
> Needed to say that XML parsers can handle such cases, i.e. when xml
> header is in different encoding than the rest of document.

I doubt we can say that universally.  :)

Also, what you said isn't very accurate.  For example, "in different  
encoding than the rest of document" is not a possible occurrence  
according to the XML 1.1 specification (http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml11-20060816/ 
) which states:

"It is a fatal error when an XML processor encounters an entity with  
an encoding that it is unable to process. It is a fatal error if an  
XML entity is determined (via default, encoding declaration, or higher- 
level protocol) to be in a certain encoding but contains byte  
sequences that are not legal in that encoding."

All XML parsers are required to assume UTF-8 unless told otherwise and  
to be able to recognize UTF-16 by a required BOM.  Beyond that, they  
are not required to recognize any other encodings, though they may of  
course.  Their encoding declaration can be expressed in ASCII and,  
since they assume UTF-8 by default, this is similar to what Ruby  
does.  It allows a switch to an ASCII-compatible encoding.

XML processors may do more.  For example, they can accept a different  
encoding from an external source to support things like HTTP headers  
and MIME types.  Ruby doesn't really have access to such sources at  
execution time, so that option doesn't apply to the case we are  
discussing.  However, XML processors may also recognize other BOM's  
and Ruby could do this.

>> A BOM could be handled similarly to what I showed.  You need to open
>> the file in ASCII-8BIT and check the beginning bytes, then you could
>> switch to US-ASCII and finish reading the first line (or to the  
>> second
>> if a shebang line is includes), then switch encodings again if needed
>> and finish processing.
>
> May be this technique could be used for reading UTF-16 encoded  
> files, if
> needed?

Yes, Ruby could recognize BOM's for non-ASCII compatible encodings to  
support them.  A BOM would be required in this case though, just as it  
is in an XML processor that doesn't have external information.

Ruby doesn't currently do this, as near as I can tell.

Note that this would not give what you purposed in your initial  
message:  multiple encodings in the same file.  Ruby doesn't support  
that and isn't ever likely to.  An XML processor that supports such  
things is in violation of its specification as I understand it.

Besides, not many text editors that I'm aware of make it super easy to  
edit in multiple encodings.  :)

James Edward Gray II


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