[#343034] RUBY vs COMMON LISP — fft1976 <fft1976@...>

On Aug 1, 8:55=A0pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)

16 messages 2009/08/02

[#343054] Inconsistency in Array#[] — Wojciech Piekutowski <w.piekutowski@...>

Disclaimer: I know what docs say, but I'd prefer a different

14 messages 2009/08/02

[#343135] Kind of ParsTree for 1.9.1 — Macario Ortega <macarui@...>

22 messages 2009/08/04

[#343186] Bizarre Range behavior — Scott Briggs <scott.br@...>

Can someone please explain this behavior in ruby (1.8.6p111):

42 messages 2009/08/04
[#343187] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yossef Mendelssohn <ymendel@...> 2009/08/04

On Aug 4, 1:47=A0pm, Scott Briggs <scott...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#343193] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/08/04

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Yossef Mendelssohn wrote:

[#343196] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — "Matthew K. Williams" <matt@...> 2009/08/04

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Rob Biedenharn wrote:

[#343199] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/08/04

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Matthew K. Williams wrote:

[#343234] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/08/05

Hi,

[#343251] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#343261] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/08/05

Hi,

[#343266] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/08/05

Hi --

[#343272] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/08/05

Hi,

[#343273] Re: Bizarre Range behavior — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/05

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto<matz@ruby-lang.org> wro=

[#343235] remove commas from string — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

I have following string:

14 messages 2009/08/05

[#343288] including gems with standalone app — Eric Peterson <ericdp@...>

Morning,

10 messages 2009/08/05

[#343320] 1.9 String and M17N documentation — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

I have put together a document which tries to outline the M17N

20 messages 2009/08/06
[#343351] Re: [ANN] 1.9 String and M17N documentation — James Gray <james@...> 2009/08/06

On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Brian Candler wrote:

[#343378] Re: [ANN] 1.9 String and M17N documentation — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2009/08/07

On Aug 6, 2009, at 08:57, James Gray wrote:

[#343423] How do I add ? — chutsu <chutsu@...>

I've got a file that is in two columns, how do I add the second column

14 messages 2009/08/07

[#343566] Reading contents of a file and storing — Shekar Ls <idealone5@...>

Guys,

14 messages 2009/08/10

[#343592] Destroying related objects doubt ... basic oop question — Soh Dubom <sohdubom@...>

::Destroying related objects doubt

16 messages 2009/08/10
[#343726] Re: Destroying related objects doubt ... basic oop question — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/08/12

Yet another reason for steering well clear of object-relational mappers.

[#343751] Re: Destroying related objects doubt ... basic oop question — Fabian Streitel <karottenreibe@...> 2009/08/12

> Yet another reason for steering well clear of object-relational mappers.

[#343649] Good editor for Windows Ruby — Peter Bailey <pbailey@...>

Hello,

21 messages 2009/08/11

[#343658] Readline not working with Ruby — Stewart <stewart.matheson@...>

24 messages 2009/08/11

[#343756] Class#descendants? — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

Ruby can do Class#ancestors but not Class#descendants.

18 messages 2009/08/12
[#343757] Re: Class#descendants? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2009/08/12

Jason Lillywhite wrote:

[#343771] skip_before_filter (Do I need a lesson in modules/mixins?) — Cris Shupp <cshupp1@...>

Gurus,

13 messages 2009/08/12

[#343831] newbie question making a folder with ruby — Simon Staton <simon@...>

ok well the program I am in the middle of programming I need it to

20 messages 2009/08/13
[#343851] Re: newbie question making a folder with ruby — Lui Core <usurffx@...> 2009/08/13

Simon Staton wrote:

[#343898] Re: newbie question making a folder with ruby — Simon Staton <simon@...> 2009/08/14

Lui Core wrote:

[#343902] Re: newbie question making a folder with ruby — Simon Staton <simon@...> 2009/08/14

To give more of an idea this is the code that I have on the .rb file. it

[#343920] Class method aliased in superclass bypasses subclass overrides — Marcos <markjreed@...>

This seems like it should work:

11 messages 2009/08/14

[#344009] start_with? Does someone need a grammar lesson? — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...>

String#start_with?-------------------------------

15 messages 2009/08/17

[#344088] fromdos dos2unix in ruby — Krzysztof Cierpisz <ciapecki@...>

how can I achieve in ruby the result of running:

18 messages 2009/08/18
[#344103] Re: fromdos dos2unix in ruby — krzysztof cierpisz <ciapecki@...> 2009/08/18

>

[#344109] Re: fromdos dos2unix in ruby — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/08/18

2009/8/18 krzysztof cierpisz <ciapecki@gmail.com>:

[#344125] exercise in DRY — Peter Ehrlich <crazedcougar@...>

I have some simple code for a thumbs up/thumbs down functionality.

13 messages 2009/08/18

[#344180] #has_arguments? — Intransition <transfire@...>

Messing with optional argument check for the umpteenth time, eg.

23 messages 2009/08/19

[#344218] Confirm my Performance Test Against Java? — Ben Christensen <benjchristensen@...>

I'm evaluating Ruby for use in a variety of systems that are planned by

40 messages 2009/08/19
[#344222] Re: Confirm my Performance Test Against Java? — brabuhr@... 2009/08/19

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ben Christensen

[#344342] extending ruby - handling errors — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

I want to raise an ArgumentError, "Function only takes numeric objects."

11 messages 2009/08/20

[#344345] How do I estimate how long it will take a calculation to complete? — Paul <tester.paul@...>

Hi there, I wrote a short ruby script to calculate the prime factors

10 messages 2009/08/20

[#344366] Why, oh why, _why? — Karl von Laudermann <doodpants@...>

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!

79 messages 2009/08/20
[#344400] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Ralf Mueller <ralf.mueller@...> 2009/08/21

Karl von Laudermann wrote:

[#344421] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Ralf Mueller<ralf.mueller@zmaw.de> wrote:

[#344432] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Gregory Brown<gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> w=

[#344434] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Rick DeNatale<rick.denatale@gmail.com> wro=

[#344441] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Jason Roelofs <jameskilton@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>wrote:

[#344448] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Jason Roelofs<jameskilton@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344453] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Jason Roelofs <jameskilton@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Xavier Noria <fxn@hashref.com> wrote:

[#344525] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/08/22

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Karl von

[#344526] Re: Why, oh why, _why? — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/08/22

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Todd Benson<caduceass@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344404] How to convert string "/regexp/i" to /regexp/i - ? — Joao Silva <rubyforum@...>

When i try to use:

20 messages 2009/08/21

[#344462] Github and _why — John W Higgins <wishdev@...>

I'm about to get very nasty responses but this absolutely is a very bad

19 messages 2009/08/21
[#344467] Re: Github and _why — Tony Arcieri <tony@...> 2009/08/21

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM, John W Higgins <wishdev@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344545] 1.8.7 String#lines keeps new-line chars (say it ain't so in 1.9) — Intransition <transfire@...>

Ruby 1.8.7 p72

19 messages 2009/08/22

[#344554] Ruby Editor — sasan <sasan.bahrieh@...>

I need a good software for ruby programming. please post message for

21 messages 2009/08/22

[#344573] ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...>

ruby-1.8.6-p369

19 messages 2009/08/22
[#344593] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...> 2009/08/23

...and more

[#344597] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...> 2009/08/23

> $ rdebug r2test.rb

[#344652] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...> 2009/08/24

Sys Ppp wrote:

[#344653] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...> 2009/08/24

...or I guess this would be a better example:

[#344656] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...> 2009/08/24

To 7stud. These are all normal, except class-method, as i wrote.

[#344691] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/24

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Sys Ppp<systemppp@gmail.com> wrote:

[#344705] Re: ruby-debug does not hit breakpoints at class-methods — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...> 2009/08/24

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#344580] Development - works, production not - why? — Joao Silva <rubyforum@...>

My development envrioment:

11 messages 2009/08/23

[#344680] Comparison Ruby, Python, Php, Groovy ecc. — Marco Mastrodonato <m.mastrodonato@...>

Comparison script languages for the fractal geometry, these are the

25 messages 2009/08/24
[#344684] Re: Comparison Ruby, Python, Php, Groovy ecc. — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...> 2009/08/24

Are those executables compiled with identical compilers + compile flags?

[#344717] _why's "suicide" note? — Graham Agnew <graham.agnew@...>

Just found this as _why's last tweet on the Google cached copy of _why's

12 messages 2009/08/24

[#344762] Calling method from another class — Kostas Lps <louposk@...>

Hi guys,

15 messages 2009/08/24

[#344872] ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

A friend of mine on Twitter recently posted this tidbit of code:

30 messages 2009/08/26
[#344879] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/26

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#344899] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/08/26

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Brian Candler<b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#344921] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/26

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#344923] Re: ||= with 1.8 and 1.9 ? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2009/08/26

Brian Candler wrote:

[#344881] # sign does not work as expected form irb — Salvador Sanjuan <salvador.sanjuan@...>

I have just started Ruby. I have tried to do some exercises usin irb but

15 messages 2009/08/26
[#344887] Re: # sign does not work as expected form irb — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...> 2009/08/26

Salvador Sanjuan wrote:

[#344988] Re: # sign does not work as expected form irb — Salvador Sanjuan <salvador.sanjuan@...> 2009/08/27

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#344938] Rack must not dictate how to create a middleware — Sys Ppp <systemppp@...>

In current realization of Rack::Builder the method :use dictates that

15 messages 2009/08/26
[#344940] Re: Rack must not dictate how to create a middleware — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/08/26

Sys Ppp wrote:

[#345037] Possible to use Ruby for Dynamic HTML sites without Rails? — Frank Peterson <fictionalperson@...>

How easy is this to do? I've been going though a Ruby book again (was

13 messages 2009/08/27

[#345070] I need a string#all_indices method--is there such a thing? — timr <timrandg@...>

In ruby you can use string#index as follows:

22 messages 2009/08/28

[#345079] #map, #select semantics — James Coglan <jcoglan@...>

I imagine this has come up before, though I can't find anything about it. I

16 messages 2009/08/28

[#345097] How to call this method — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...>

Hi list

15 messages 2009/08/28
[#345100] Re: How to call this method — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/08/28

2009/8/28 Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com>:

[#345222] Sorting an array by multiple elements? — Paul <tester.paul@...>

Hi there, I have an array of arrays that I want to sort by multiple

14 messages 2009/08/30

[#345267] What is the ruby conventions to name private method? — pierr <pierr.chen@...>

16 messages 2009/08/31
[#345274] Re: What is the ruby conventions to name private method? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2009/08/31

[#345322] help on phps $$ equivalent in ruby — Arthur Rats <simon.jacobs.ams@...>

i just cant find this anywhere, googling for a while and read up tons on

11 messages 2009/08/31

Re: R1.9 mixed encoding in file

From: James Gray <james@...>
Date: 2009-08-07 17:46:04 UTC
List: ruby-talk #343426
On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:41 AM, V=EDt Ondruch wrote:

>> You are not allowed to set the source encoding to a non-ASCII
>> compatible encoding, if memory serves.
>
> Where is it documented please?

I'm not sure it's officially documented yet.

Ruby does throw an error in this scenario though:

$ ruby_dev
# encoding: UTF-16BE
ruby_dev: UTF-16BE is not ASCII compatible (ArgumentError)

and:

$ ruby_dev -e 'puts "\uFEFF# encoding: UTF-16BE".encode("UTF-16BE")' | =20=

ruby_dev
-:1: invalid multibyte char (UTF-8)

I believe this is the relevant code from Ruby's parser:

static void
parser_set_encode(struct parser_params *parser, const char *name)
{
     int idx =3D rb_enc_find_index(name);
     rb_encoding *enc;

     if (idx < 0) {
	rb_raise(rb_eArgError, "unknown encoding name: %s", name);
     }
     enc =3D rb_enc_from_index(idx);
     if (!rb_enc_asciicompat(enc)) {
	rb_raise(rb_eArgError, "%s is not ASCII compatible", =
rb_enc_name(enc));
     }
     parser->enc =3D enc;
}

>> That eliminates any issues
>> with encodings like UTF-16.  This makes perfect sense as there's no
>> way to reliably support the magic encoding comment unless we can =20
>> count
>> on being able to read at least that far.
>
> Needed to say that XML parsers can handle such cases, i.e. when xml
> header is in different encoding than the rest of document.

I doubt we can say that universally.  :)

Also, what you said isn't very accurate.  For example, "in different =20
encoding than the rest of document" is not a possible occurrence =20
according to the XML 1.1 specification =
(http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml11-20060816/=20
) which states:

"It is a fatal error when an XML processor encounters an entity with =20
an encoding that it is unable to process. It is a fatal error if an =20
XML entity is determined (via default, encoding declaration, or higher-=20=

level protocol) to be in a certain encoding but contains byte =20
sequences that are not legal in that encoding."

All XML parsers are required to assume UTF-8 unless told otherwise and =20=

to be able to recognize UTF-16 by a required BOM.  Beyond that, they =20
are not required to recognize any other encodings, though they may of =20=

course.  Their encoding declaration can be expressed in ASCII and, =20
since they assume UTF-8 by default, this is similar to what Ruby =20
does.  It allows a switch to an ASCII-compatible encoding.

XML processors may do more.  For example, they can accept a different =20=

encoding from an external source to support things like HTTP headers =20
and MIME types.  Ruby doesn't really have access to such sources at =20
execution time, so that option doesn't apply to the case we are =20
discussing.  However, XML processors may also recognize other BOM's =20
and Ruby could do this.

>> A BOM could be handled similarly to what I showed.  You need to open
>> the file in ASCII-8BIT and check the beginning bytes, then you could
>> switch to US-ASCII and finish reading the first line (or to the =20
>> second
>> if a shebang line is includes), then switch encodings again if needed
>> and finish processing.
>
> May be this technique could be used for reading UTF-16 encoded =20
> files, if
> needed?

Yes, Ruby could recognize BOM's for non-ASCII compatible encodings to =20=

support them.  A BOM would be required in this case though, just as it =20=

is in an XML processor that doesn't have external information.

Ruby doesn't currently do this, as near as I can tell.

Note that this would not give what you purposed in your initial =20
message:  multiple encodings in the same file.  Ruby doesn't support =20
that and isn't ever likely to.  An XML processor that supports such =20
things is in violation of its specification as I understand it.

Besides, not many text editors that I'm aware of make it super easy to =20=

edit in multiple encodings.  :)

James Edward Gray II


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