On 27 December 2012 16:29, Sean Alphonse <lists@ruby-f= orum.com> wrote:

@Peter Hickman
Well, I'm not going to spend too much of my time arguing with you but m= y
original question was: "How well respected is this certification in th= e
industry?" I think all your "basics" are covered by this sim= ple
question.

Also, here are the purposes of the certification as posted on the cert'= s
website:

[Purposes]
(1) Set a technical-level standard for studying or teaching Ruby

For it to be "st= andard" then everyone (or at least most) people need to be taking it. = I have never met anyone who has taken this test therefore I cannot say what= a score of 87% in this test would mean. There is nothing to compare it to,= there is no way to relate a score against even the most inexperienced prog= rammer. Given the breadth of the topics and the shallowness of the testing = method, 50 multichoice questions, I would have no idea what to expect from = someone who scored even 100%.

Given that I have interviewed CS graduates = from good=A0universities=A0that could not describe what OOP was without quo= ting their course notes verbatim as if they were written ecclesiastical=A0l= atin and that is after 3 years of tuition, multiple exams and practical pro= jects I fail to see how 50 multichoice questions will be a better measure.<= /div>

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(2) Set a stand= ard for Ruby engineers concerning the verification and
representation of their skill level

The depth of the testing, covering 18 topics with o= nly 50 questions, will reveal nothing about the skills of the participants.= It is simply too shallow.

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(3) Set a decision-making standard for companies and other entities
concerning the hiring of Ruby engineers (employing or outsourcing
development work)

I have been=A0programming=A0sinc= e the 80s. I have never, even once, been asked if I had a=A0certificate to = verify my skills. Neither have I required certification from the candidates= who have applied for positions that we have interviewed for. The only peop= le that we have ever employed that needed to verify their skills were accou= ntants and first-aiders. The only things that matter for a programmer is ex= perience and if you are familier with Java, C and Perl you should have enou= gh experience to make=A0learning=A0another=A0programming language nothing m= ore than a weekend project.

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I think all these reasons are valid and it's backed by an "officia= l"
association. How well it does these things, even though it's official,<= br> is what I'm seeking knowledge of.

Certification is a waste of time and will not help you get a job as a = Ruby or Rails developer.=A0

=A0

Well, I'm going to go back to working on some XML and ruby. Thank you for your time.

Also, yes Ruby and Perl are very similar, being that their both
scripting languages (though they do have differences). I'm interested i= n
becoming not just a ruby developer, but also a rails developer. And
there's really nothing quite like Rails in Java and Perl..

<= br>

HTML::Mason is similar and Cocoon has some int= eresting ideas (although burdened with the typical Java over engineering).<= br>

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