From: Peter Hickman Date: 2012-12-28T03:01:31+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby Association Certified Ruby Programmer --047d7b66f32913673804d1d9566a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 27 December 2012 16:33, Robert Klemme wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Matt Lawrence > wrote: > > I have noticed that this list has been taking on a rather nasty tone > lately. > > I wouldn't call it "nasty" - still the tone has degraded. There are a > few other changes I have observed. > > - Discussions of advanced topics almost vanished these days. > - There are a lot beginner questions. > - There are also quite a few questions which either look like > homework or can be answered easily from documentation or testing with > IRB. > They are less requests for help than demands that we do their work for them. "Eternal September" springs to mind. We get emails from outsourcing companies that advertise X years of RoR experience available for low prices and I have the feeling that some of the posts we see here are from the same people who have misrepresented themselves to a client to get the work. > As a long time Ruby user and memeber of the Ruby community, I don't think > > this is a good thing. > > Certainly not. > You can only get out what you put in and too many of the posts feel like this list is a "first resort" rather than a "last resort". If they can put some serious effort into their questions (too many seem to assume that we are psychic) then I am willing to spend time helping on or off list. Helping people is an act of charity, I am not obligated to help everyone who can't be bothered to do the most rudimentary of Google searches and I am not obligated to suffer fools. I replied to Sean Westfall because I believe that having him spend $150 on a certificate will do nothing for him in becoming a Ruby developer. At least he had put some effort into the question "how can I become a Ruby developer" and he deserved some help. His actual question was "Is it worth the time?" and the answer is "No". But to say that is a disservice, it needs to be explained. But the assumption that a certificate will be of any help is so wrong there is nothing good to say about it. --047d7b66f32913673804d1d9566a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 27 December 2012 16:33, Robert Klemme <shortc= utter@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Matt La= wrence <matt@technoronin.com= > wrote:
> I have noticed that this list has been taking on a rather nasty tone l= ately.

I wouldn't call it "nasty" - still the tone has degrade= d. =A0There are a
few other changes I have observed.

=A0- Discussions of advanced topics almost vanished these days.
=A0- There are a lot beginner questions.
=A0- There are also quite a few questions which either look like
homework or can be answered easily from documentation or testing with
IRB.

They are less requests for help than= demands that we do their work for them. "Eternal September" spri= ngs to mind. We get emails from outsourcing companies that advertise X year= s of RoR experience available for low prices and I have the feeling that so= me of the posts we see here are from the same people who have misrepresente= d themselves to a client to get the work.

> As a long time Ruby = user and memeber of the Ruby community, I don't think
> this is a good thing.

Certainly not.

You can only= get out what you put in and too many of the posts feel like this list is a= "first resort" rather than a "last resort". If they ca= n put some serious effort into their questions (too many seem to assume tha= t we are psychic) then I am willing to spend time helping on or off list. H= elping people is an act of charity, I am not obligated to help everyone who= can't be bothered to do the most=A0rudimentary=A0of Google searches an= d I am not obligated to suffer fools.

I replied to=A0Sean Westfall because I=A0be= lieve=A0that having him spend $150 on a certificate will do nothing for him= in becoming a Ruby developer. At least he had put some effort into the que= stion "how can I become a Ruby developer" and he deserved some he= lp. His actual question was "Is it worth the time?" and the answer is "No&q= uot;. But to say that is a disservice, it needs to be explained. But the as= sumption that a certificate will be of any help is so wrong there is nothin= g good to say about it.

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