From: Todd Benson Date: 2012-12-18T03:08:27+09:00 Subject: Re: Wondering About Flatiron School --e89a8f643556818b6d04d110443f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 17, 2012 2:44 AM, "Florian Gilcher" wrote: > > > On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Jan E. wrote: > > > @ Florian: > > > > It seems we have a very different understanding of being a programmer. > > Somebody who can do basic tasks within a team that looks after him is a > > code monkey to me, not a programmer. Yeah, you can probably become a > > decent code monkey in a few months. Many school kids today don't even > > have to be taught the basics, because they've already published projects > > on GitHub, maybe done some small jobs etc. I'm going to agree with Jan on this, and it doesn't have to do with just programming. My first job in IT, we had a guy that convinced his way in by pretending he knew things. I was his "go to" for things he couldn't handle. Needless to say, he's now a very unqualified system manager. It's unfortunate for them, but it happens. I have a handful of similar stories dealing with this or that person's clout, meaning, he's not the only one that slipped invasively through the cracks. In interviews, I take the middle ground with prospective help, all the while keeping in mind that even though young blood is good, somebody that has already walked through fire to get here is much, much better than a signed piece of paper, and, in this case, one that carries little weight. --e89a8f643556818b6d04d110443f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Dec 17, 2012 2:44 AM, "Florian Gilcher" <flo@andersground.net> wrote:
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> On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Jan E. <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:
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> > @ Florian:
> >
> > It seems we have a very different understanding of being a progra= mmer.
> > Somebody who can do basic tasks within a team that looks after hi= m is a
> > code monkey to me, not a programmer. Yeah, you can probably becom= e a
> > decent code monkey in a few months. Many school kids today don= 9;t even
> > have to be taught the basics, because they've already publish= ed projects
> > on GitHub, maybe done some small jobs etc.

I'm going to agree with Jan on this, and it doesn't = have to do with just programming.=A0 My first job in IT, we had a guy that = convinced his way in by pretending he knew things. I was his "go to&qu= ot; for things he couldn't handle. Needless to say, he's now a very= unqualified system manager. It's unfortunate for them, but it happens.= I have a handful of similar stories dealing with this or that person's= clout, meaning, he's not the only one that slipped invasively through = the cracks.

In interviews, I take the middle ground with prospective hel= p, all the while keeping in mind that even though young blood is good, some= body that has already walked through fire to get here is much, much better = than a signed piece of paper, and, in this case, one that carries little we= ight.

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