From: Carlos Agarie <carlos.agarie@...>
Date: 2012-12-28T01:53:19+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby Association Certified Ruby Programmer

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> I wouldn't call it "nasty" - still the tone has degraded.

I agree. I've seen some people being a bit too uneducated to newcomers and
it's sad - one of the biggest reasons I started with Ruby instead of Python
is because I felt the community was much more friendly.

Also, to give my 2 cents:

Sean, this certification isn't very useful in the Ruby community. I *think*
it exists because there's some demand for it on Japan (remember: this is a
language originated and much more common there). We tend to value much more
your work on open source projects, as others have already said.

Try some ruby tutorials and books (codeschool's tryruby is a good one to
start, Eloquent Ruby is a good book, etc) and start writing simple projects
to get accustomed with automated testing and the syntax. There are lots of
rails material out there, but ask on its mailing list in case you can't
find anything useful.

Have a nice day. :)


-----
Carlos Agarie

Control engineering
Polytechnic School, University of S=E3o Paulo, Brazil
Computer engineering
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, USA


2012/12/27 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>

> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
> wrote:
> > I have noticed that this list has been taking on a rather nasty tone
> lately.
>
> I wouldn't call it "nasty" - still the tone has degraded.  There are a
> few other changes I have observed.
>
>  - Discussions of advanced topics almost vanished these days.
>  - There are a lot beginner questions.
>  - There are also quite a few questions which either look like
> homework or can be answered easily from documentation or testing with
> IRB.
>  - Matz, Nobu and other folks from Japan seem to show up much more
> rarely than they used to.
>
> Even though I still read (and reply) here pretty often I have to admit
> it has become a less interesting place than it used to be.
>
> > As a long time Ruby user and memeber of the Ruby community, I don't thi=
nk
> > this is a good thing.
>
> Certainly not.
>
> Kind regards
>
> robert
>
> --
> remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end
> http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>&gt; I wouldn&#39;t call it &quot;nasty&quot; - still=
 the tone has degraded.<br><br></div><div>I agree. I&#39;ve seen some peopl=
e being a bit too uneducated to newcomers and it&#39;s sad - one of the big=
gest reasons I started with Ruby instead of Python is because I felt the co=
mmunity was much more friendly.<br>

<br></div><div>Also, to give my 2 cents:<br><br></div><div>Sean, this certi=
fication isn&#39;t very useful in the Ruby community. I *think* it exists b=
ecause there&#39;s some demand for it on Japan (remember: this is a languag=
e originated and much more common there). We tend to value much more your w=
ork on open source projects, as others have already said.<br>

<br></div><div>Try some ruby tutorials and books (codeschool&#39;s tryruby =
is a good one to start, Eloquent Ruby is a good book, etc) and start writin=
g simple projects to get accustomed with automated testing and the syntax. =
There are lots of rails material out there, but ask on its mailing list in =
case you can&#39;t find anything useful.<br>

<br></div><div>Have a nice day. :)<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><br></div><div>-----</div>Carlos Agarie<div><=
br><div>Control engineering<div>Polytechnic School,=A0University of S=E3o P=
aulo, Brazil</div>

<div>Computer engineering</div><div>Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, U=
SA</div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/12/27 Robert Klemme <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shortcutter@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">shor=
tcutter@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Matt Lawrence &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matt@t=
echnoronin.com">matt@technoronin.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I have noticed that this list has been taking on a rather nasty tone l=
ately.<br>
<br>
I wouldn&#39;t call it &quot;nasty&quot; - still the tone has degraded. =A0=
There are a<br>
few other changes I have observed.<br>
<br>
=A0- Discussions of advanced topics almost vanished these days.<br>
=A0- There are a lot beginner questions.<br>
=A0- There are also quite a few questions which either look like<br>
homework or can be answered easily from documentation or testing with<br>
IRB.<br>
=A0- Matz, Nobu and other folks from Japan seem to show up much more<br>
rarely than they used to.<br>
<br>
Even though I still read (and reply) here pretty often I have to admit<br>
it has become a less interesting place than it used to be.<br>
<br>
&gt; As a long time Ruby user and memeber of the Ruby community, I don&#39;=
t think<br>
&gt; this is a good thing.<br>
<br>
Certainly not.<br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
<br>
robert<br>
<br>
--<br>
remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://blo=
g.rubybestpractices.com/</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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