[#89088] More questions about =~ — GGarramuno@... (GGarramuno)

irb(main):006:1* class String

14 messages 2004/01/01

[#89119] Loop/Iterator questions — GGarramuno@... (GGarramuno)

1) Is there anything like Perl's continue block available? This is

15 messages 2004/01/02

[#89189] Best way to send mail in ruby — Bauduin Raphael <rb@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2004/01/03

[#89193] Simple Ruby DB apps/programs ... — Useko Netsumi <usenets@...>

I was wondering if there are some example of small Ruby(1.8.1) Database

14 messages 2004/01/03

[#89261] class Time doesn't pass year 2038? — Jean-Baptiste <temuphaey0@...>

15 messages 2004/01/05

[#89339] Compression (besides Huffman) and Ruby — "Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT" <jupp@...>

Hi!

14 messages 2004/01/07

[#89367] Database applications and OOness — Tim Bates <tim@...>

People,

63 messages 2004/01/07
[#89455] Re: Database applications and OOness — "dhtapp" <dhtapp@...> 2004/01/08

I've been watching this thread with a great deal of interest. I'm

[#89456] block delimiting — Pete Yadlowsky <pmy@...> 2004/01/08

[#89465] Re: block delimiting — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2004/01/08

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 04:33:15 +0900, Pete y wrote:

[#89453] ruby 1.8.1 windows installer — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>

Hi!

26 messages 2004/01/08
[#89716] Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installer — intc_ctor@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/01/12

>

[#89860] Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installer — Alan Davies <NOSPAMcs96and@...> 2004/01/14

> Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn't exactly fly off the

[#89460] Re: block delimiting — "Mike Wilson" <wmwilson01@...>

21 messages 2004/01/08

[#89590] regex to NOT match? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Sorry it seems like the smallest thing, but I'm stuck on this.

16 messages 2004/01/10

[#89611] Converting a string to an array of tokens — "John W. Long" <ws@...>

Is there a fast way to convert a string into a list of tokens?

17 messages 2004/01/11

[#89672] faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

1. Is there a way in Ruby to speed up 32bit integer arithmetics (only

43 messages 2004/01/12
[#89686] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Ara.T.Howard@... 2004/01/12

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, David Garamond wrote:

[#89709] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Charles Mills <boson@...> 2004/01/12

What abouts Rubys design would make integer arithmetic slower than integer

[#89710] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/01/12

[#89711] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Charles Mills <boson@...> 2004/01/12

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#89718] Getting the tail of a list? — Carsten Eckelmann <careck@...42.com>

Hi everybody,

19 messages 2004/01/12

[#89796] Ruby OS mentioned on /. — intc_ctor@... (Phil Tomson)

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/04/01/13/0123250.shtml?tid=185&tid=190

20 messages 2004/01/13
[#89805] Re: Ruby OS mentioned on /. — Paul William <maillist@...> 2004/01/13

./ normally does not have vaporware... are a bunch of ruby (a very high

[#89806] Re: Ruby OS mentioned on /. — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/01/13

Somehow i have this strange feeling that not all ruby peeps are strictly

[#89975] drb, firewall, ssh tunneling, and yield — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>

14 messages 2004/01/16
[#89976] Re: drb, firewall, ssh tunneling, and yield — Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@...> 2004/01/16

On Jan 15, 2004, at 19:10, Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#90013] Fighting Ruby's bad fame — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

42 messages 2004/01/16
[#90097] Re: Fighting Ruby's bad fame — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/01/18

In article <af53b0ba.0401171921.7cf9b9b7@posting.google.com>,

[#90023] Installing a program Unix-like — Malte Milatz <malteDELETETHIS@...>

Users of Linux, FreeBSD etc. are used to downloading an archive,

13 messages 2004/01/16

[#90077] long expression syntax — rick.hu@... (Rick Hu)

why do I get a syntax error for

13 messages 2004/01/17

[#90086] is Ruby the right language for these projects? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Please forgive my self-centered question. I've been learning all about Ruby

16 messages 2004/01/18

[#90139] segfaults on mandrake... — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2004/01/18

[#90200] regex help — Chris Morris <chrismo@...>

I need a re such that:

18 messages 2004/01/19

[#90228] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

In article <mailman.493.1074484056.12720.python-list@python.org>,

36 messages 2004/01/20
[#90292] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — Ville Vainio <ville.spamstermeister.vainio@...> 2004/01/20

>>>>> "Phil" == Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com> writes:

[#90294] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/01/20

Ville>Though "sending messages" to int literals is a syntax error.

[#90332] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — GGarramuno@... (GGarramuno) 2004/01/21

"Zach Dennis" <zdennis@mktec.com> wrote in message news:<AKEKIKLMCFIHPEAHKAAICEOHHFAA.zdennis@mktec.com>...

[#90333] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — Gregory Millam <walker@...> 2004/01/21

Received: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:59:59 +0900

[#90317] Re: Proposal for programming language of the year — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

I think one of the main points of learning a new language each year is that

18 messages 2004/01/21

[#90354] Modules as namespace — gm@... (George Moschovitis)

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2004/01/21

[#90405] Very basic Ruby docs/books/tutorial? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2004/01/22

[#90472] Ruby/Extensions v0.3 released — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

A new version of Ruby/Extensions, a suite of useful methods added to

17 messages 2004/01/23

[#90505] Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I find it immensely useful when dealing with arrays to be able to

25 messages 2004/01/23
[#90507] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Gennady <gfb@...> 2004/01/23

Patrick Bennett wrote:

[#90510] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/01/23

Hmmm, thanks, but it's a bit 'non-obvious' to casual Ruby programmers

[#90512] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Gennady <gfb@...> 2004/01/23

[#90524] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2004/01/23

On Friday 23 January 2004 06:43 pm, Gennady wrote:

[#90598] perl bug File::Basename and Perl's nature — xah@... (Xah Lee)

Just bumped into another irresponsibility in perl.

19 messages 2004/01/25

[#90667] ruby-math and "why is ** not abelian?" — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)

I was reading the 1st thread in the ruby-math discussion at

11 messages 2004/01/26

[#90750] choosing ruby? — Piergiuliano Bossi <p_bossi_AGAINST_SPAM@...>

We are on the way to start a new project, a web application with a bunch

20 messages 2004/01/27

[#90756] Editor — Safran von Twesla <me@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2004/01/27

[#90770] newbee question about "missing" hash methods +, += and << — benny <linux@...>

Hi,

25 messages 2004/01/27

[#90913] vimrc for Ruby or rubytidy — Theodore Knab <tjk@...>

Does someone have a '.vimrc' file they will share

17 messages 2004/01/29
[#90914] Re: vimrc for Ruby or rubytidy — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/01/29

> Does someone have a '.vimrc' file they will share

[#90971] time comparison — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i want to parse and trim a log file. the date format log file looks like:

13 messages 2004/01/29

[#91005] Ruby and Perl Integration — "John W. Long" <ws@...>

All this talk about RJNI has gotten me thinking. Has anyone attempted to

17 messages 2004/01/30
[#91007] Re: Ruby and Perl Integration — Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16@...> 2004/01/30

--- "John W. Long" <ws@johnwlong.com> wrote:

[#91056] principle of most suprise — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

gah, ruby is doing it to me again:

31 messages 2004/01/30

[#91071] Accesing to private attributes — "Imobach =?iso-8859-15?q?Gonz=E1lez_Sosa?=" <imodev@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2004/01/30

[#91088] flip flop operator and assignment — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

I'm working on the pattern matching section for

25 messages 2004/01/31

[#91089] No difference between .. and ... flip/flop operators? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

50 messages 2004/01/31

[#91099] Ruby 1.8.1 REXML performance — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...>

I have a script that uses REXML to stream parse an XML file and load a

27 messages 2004/01/31

[#91104] graphics lib? — Alwin Blok <alwinblok@...>

Hello,

38 messages 2004/01/31
[#91262] Re: graphics lib? — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2004/02/02

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:18:50 -0600, Charles Comstock wrote:

[#91362] Re: graphics lib? — Charles Comstock <cc1@...> 2004/02/03

Simon Strandgaard wrote:

Re: block delimiting

From: oinkoink+unet@... (Bret Jolly)
Date: 2004-01-09 00:26:41 UTC
List: ruby-talk #89487
Pete Yadlowsky <pmy@virginia.edu> wrote in message news:<200401081433.10236.pmy@virginia.edu>...
> Hi,

> I'm a Perl -> Python -> Ruby convert and new to this mailing list.
> 
> I like Ruby very much except for one thing: all those "end" tokens scattered 
> everywhere. [...]

> I'm sure the topic of Python-style blocking in Ruby has been brought up 
> before. Is there a general consensus on this in the community? Before I 
> totter off to write my own Ruby preprocessor, does such a thing already 
> exist? Thanks.

I also followed the Perl -> Python -> Ruby route, and
I'm afraid I have to tell you that the Ruby way is the
right way.  Python's syntactically-significant
indentation is partly responsible for the reputation
Python has of being "executable pseudocode" which has
lured so many unwary programmers into its coils; but
much I as liked it in my Python days, I know see that
it was a mistake.

Consider what syntactically-significant indentation
means in the context of a vigorous hacking session in
emacs or vim.  Hack, hack, hack.  Gotta refactor:
cut this here, paste it there...oops!  Now the indentation
is all wrong.  Pretty soon you find that you are spending
time and mental energy horsing around with indentation
(especially if some of your code contains tabs).  This
is not programmer heaven.

Furthermore, syntactically-significant indentation
increases the risk of errors, for several reasons.
Explicit block-termination gives the editing session
valuable redundancy.  If you screw up your cutting and
pasting during a Ruby refactorfest, the editor will
make this obvious when you tell it to re-indent.  And
if you don't notice this (maybe you are programming
drunk), you'll notice it when the program fails to run.
But in an equivalent Python refactorfest, the editor
will not catch the problem by re-indenting, and the
syntax is more likely to be legal even after your blunder.
The program might run, but run incorrectly (this is bad).

I should have been tipped off by the fact that when I
had a Python block which was more than a screenful, I
would end it with an end comment to make the end-of-block
visible, e.g.:

     if foo:
       # 2 screenfuls of code
     # end if

With a little more Ruby experience, I think that you
too will see that the Ruby way is the right way, and
Python will seem like a bad dream.


Happy Rubying!  Regards, Bret

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