[#89088] More questions about =~ — GGarramuno@... (GGarramuno)

irb(main):006:1* class String

14 messages 2004/01/01

[#89119] Loop/Iterator questions — GGarramuno@... (GGarramuno)

1) Is there anything like Perl's continue block available? This is

15 messages 2004/01/02

[#89189] Best way to send mail in ruby — Bauduin Raphael <rb@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2004/01/03

[#89193] Simple Ruby DB apps/programs ... — Useko Netsumi <usenets@...>

I was wondering if there are some example of small Ruby(1.8.1) Database

14 messages 2004/01/03

[#89261] class Time doesn't pass year 2038? — Jean-Baptiste <temuphaey0@...>

15 messages 2004/01/05

[#89339] Compression (besides Huffman) and Ruby — "Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT" <jupp@...>

Hi!

14 messages 2004/01/07

[#89367] Database applications and OOness — Tim Bates <tim@...>

People,

63 messages 2004/01/07
[#89455] Re: Database applications and OOness — "dhtapp" <dhtapp@...> 2004/01/08

I've been watching this thread with a great deal of interest. I'm

[#89456] block delimiting — Pete Yadlowsky <pmy@...> 2004/01/08

[#89465] Re: block delimiting — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2004/01/08

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 04:33:15 +0900, Pete y wrote:

[#89453] ruby 1.8.1 windows installer — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>

Hi!

26 messages 2004/01/08
[#89716] Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installer — intc_ctor@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/01/12

>

[#89860] Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installer — Alan Davies <NOSPAMcs96and@...> 2004/01/14

> Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn't exactly fly off the

[#89460] Re: block delimiting — "Mike Wilson" <wmwilson01@...>

21 messages 2004/01/08

[#89590] regex to NOT match? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Sorry it seems like the smallest thing, but I'm stuck on this.

16 messages 2004/01/10

[#89611] Converting a string to an array of tokens — "John W. Long" <ws@...>

Is there a fast way to convert a string into a list of tokens?

17 messages 2004/01/11

[#89672] faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

1. Is there a way in Ruby to speed up 32bit integer arithmetics (only

43 messages 2004/01/12
[#89686] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Ara.T.Howard@... 2004/01/12

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, David Garamond wrote:

[#89709] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Charles Mills <boson@...> 2004/01/12

What abouts Rubys design would make integer arithmetic slower than integer

[#89710] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/01/12

[#89711] Re: faster integer arithmetics & arbitrary precision floating number — Charles Mills <boson@...> 2004/01/12

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#89718] Getting the tail of a list? — Carsten Eckelmann <careck@...42.com>

Hi everybody,

19 messages 2004/01/12

[#89796] Ruby OS mentioned on /. — intc_ctor@... (Phil Tomson)

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/04/01/13/0123250.shtml?tid=185&tid=190

20 messages 2004/01/13
[#89805] Re: Ruby OS mentioned on /. — Paul William <maillist@...> 2004/01/13

./ normally does not have vaporware... are a bunch of ruby (a very high

[#89806] Re: Ruby OS mentioned on /. — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/01/13

Somehow i have this strange feeling that not all ruby peeps are strictly

[#89975] drb, firewall, ssh tunneling, and yield — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>

14 messages 2004/01/16
[#89976] Re: drb, firewall, ssh tunneling, and yield — Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@...> 2004/01/16

On Jan 15, 2004, at 19:10, Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#90013] Fighting Ruby's bad fame — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

42 messages 2004/01/16
[#90097] Re: Fighting Ruby's bad fame — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/01/18

In article <af53b0ba.0401171921.7cf9b9b7@posting.google.com>,

[#90023] Installing a program Unix-like — Malte Milatz <malteDELETETHIS@...>

Users of Linux, FreeBSD etc. are used to downloading an archive,

13 messages 2004/01/16

[#90077] long expression syntax — rick.hu@... (Rick Hu)

why do I get a syntax error for

13 messages 2004/01/17

[#90086] is Ruby the right language for these projects? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Please forgive my self-centered question. I've been learning all about Ruby

16 messages 2004/01/18

[#90139] segfaults on mandrake... — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2004/01/18

[#90200] regex help — Chris Morris <chrismo@...>

I need a re such that:

18 messages 2004/01/19

[#90228] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

In article <mailman.493.1074484056.12720.python-list@python.org>,

36 messages 2004/01/20
[#90292] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — Ville Vainio <ville.spamstermeister.vainio@...> 2004/01/20

>>>>> "Phil" == Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com> writes:

[#90294] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/01/20

Ville>Though "sending messages" to int literals is a syntax error.

[#90332] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — GGarramuno@... (GGarramuno) 2004/01/21

"Zach Dennis" <zdennis@mktec.com> wrote in message news:<AKEKIKLMCFIHPEAHKAAICEOHHFAA.zdennis@mktec.com>...

[#90333] Re: New to Python: my impression v. Perl/Ruby — Gregory Millam <walker@...> 2004/01/21

Received: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:59:59 +0900

[#90317] Re: Proposal for programming language of the year — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

I think one of the main points of learning a new language each year is that

18 messages 2004/01/21

[#90354] Modules as namespace — gm@... (George Moschovitis)

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2004/01/21

[#90405] Very basic Ruby docs/books/tutorial? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2004/01/22

[#90472] Ruby/Extensions v0.3 released — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

A new version of Ruby/Extensions, a suite of useful methods added to

17 messages 2004/01/23

[#90505] Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I find it immensely useful when dealing with arrays to be able to

25 messages 2004/01/23
[#90507] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Gennady <gfb@...> 2004/01/23

Patrick Bennett wrote:

[#90510] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/01/23

Hmmm, thanks, but it's a bit 'non-obvious' to casual Ruby programmers

[#90512] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — Gennady <gfb@...> 2004/01/23

[#90524] Re: Why is to_a going to be obsolete? — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2004/01/23

On Friday 23 January 2004 06:43 pm, Gennady wrote:

[#90598] perl bug File::Basename and Perl's nature — xah@... (Xah Lee)

Just bumped into another irresponsibility in perl.

19 messages 2004/01/25

[#90667] ruby-math and "why is ** not abelian?" — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)

I was reading the 1st thread in the ruby-math discussion at

11 messages 2004/01/26

[#90750] choosing ruby? — Piergiuliano Bossi <p_bossi_AGAINST_SPAM@...>

We are on the way to start a new project, a web application with a bunch

20 messages 2004/01/27

[#90756] Editor — Safran von Twesla <me@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2004/01/27

[#90770] newbee question about "missing" hash methods +, += and << — benny <linux@...>

Hi,

25 messages 2004/01/27

[#90913] vimrc for Ruby or rubytidy — Theodore Knab <tjk@...>

Does someone have a '.vimrc' file they will share

17 messages 2004/01/29
[#90914] Re: vimrc for Ruby or rubytidy — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/01/29

> Does someone have a '.vimrc' file they will share

[#90971] time comparison — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i want to parse and trim a log file. the date format log file looks like:

13 messages 2004/01/29

[#91005] Ruby and Perl Integration — "John W. Long" <ws@...>

All this talk about RJNI has gotten me thinking. Has anyone attempted to

17 messages 2004/01/30
[#91007] Re: Ruby and Perl Integration — Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16@...> 2004/01/30

--- "John W. Long" <ws@johnwlong.com> wrote:

[#91056] principle of most suprise — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

gah, ruby is doing it to me again:

31 messages 2004/01/30

[#91071] Accesing to private attributes — "Imobach =?iso-8859-15?q?Gonz=E1lez_Sosa?=" <imodev@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2004/01/30

[#91088] flip flop operator and assignment — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

I'm working on the pattern matching section for

25 messages 2004/01/31

[#91089] No difference between .. and ... flip/flop operators? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

50 messages 2004/01/31

[#91099] Ruby 1.8.1 REXML performance — Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@...>

I have a script that uses REXML to stream parse an XML file and load a

27 messages 2004/01/31

[#91104] graphics lib? — Alwin Blok <alwinblok@...>

Hello,

38 messages 2004/01/31
[#91262] Re: graphics lib? — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2004/02/02

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:18:50 -0600, Charles Comstock wrote:

[#91362] Re: graphics lib? — Charles Comstock <cc1@...> 2004/02/03

Simon Strandgaard wrote:

Re: Read-Only Array Access

From: "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
Date: 2004-01-29 17:44:55 UTC
List: ruby-talk #90966
"Gavin Kistner" <gavin@refinery.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:g9bSb.50590$U%5.275175@attbi_s03...
> While I understand the (very valid) reasons that my RCR [see:
> http://rcrchive.net/rcr/RCR/RCR201] got shot down, an underlying problem
> still remains for me.
>
> I want to provide access to a full collection of elements (returned as
> an array, or iterated through an arbitrary .each{} block), but not let
> the objects be modified.
>
> Is this possible?

[snip]

> The problem cannot be solved by freezing @furniture, since I want to be
> able to modify it at any time. The problem could be sort of solved by...
>
> def furniture
> return @furniture.dup
> end
>
> ...except that (a) this provides 'silent' protection (the code can
> modify the values, it just doesn't do what was expected) and (b) the
> returned array is no longer synced with the original:
>
> foo = myHouse.furniture
> myHouse.addFurniture( Obj.new('Credenza',1000) )
> # foo has two items, the house really has three.
>
>
>
> So...how do I solve this? The problem is that a 'read-only' copy of an
> array doesn't prevent code from getting a read-only reference to an
> element in that array, and then modifying it directly.
>
>
> [And as an aside...I realize that the particular problem could be solved
>   if I either disallowed .value= or recalculated the furnitureValue by
> iterating the array each time it was asked for. Or I could have the
> furniture pieces know what house they are in, and any time they are
> changed have them tell the house that they were modified and any
> dependent information needs to be recalculated. While all are solutions
> to the above, I can sense that I'm going to be repeatedly bumping up
> against this problem...the desire to keep a collection of elements who
> should be able to be read, but not directly modified.]

That ain't going to be solved easily: What you really want is to mark a
*graph* of instances to be unmodifiable, i.e., if any instance in your
collection returns some member, that in turn must not be modified, too
etc.

You could try to use Delegator and add a state variable "modifyable" which
is evaluated by all modifying methods.  The hard part here is to
automatically know which methods are modifying methods...

If you've got enough mem you can clone the whole object graph starting
with the collection with the typical Marshal idiom "Marshal.load(
Marshal.dump( collection ) )".  But if the collection is big, this will
burn a lot of mem and might take some time.

If you follow discussions in C++ ng's about "const" and think a while
about the matter than you'll discover a lot of annoying things that happen
once you start to try to differentiate const and mutable instances.  For
example, consider lazy intialization: an instances state might look the
same from the outside (hence it could be regarded as const), while the
real state does change in certain situations.  Now, is this instance const
or not? etc.

I'd say, don't invest too much time into this and rather document which
parts of the application are allowed to do modifications and which are
not.

Regards

    robert


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