[#39810] 2.0 feature questionnaire — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...>

I made a questionnaire "What do you want to introduce in 2.0?" in my

59 messages 2011/10/01
[#39822] Re: 2.0 feature questionnaire — Jeremy Kemper <jeremy@...> 2011/10/02

2011/10/1 SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net>:

[#39827] Re: 2.0 feature questionnaire — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/10/02

Hi,

[#40324] Re: 2.0 feature questionnaire — Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...> 2011/10/25

2011/10/1 SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net>:

[#39823] Discussion results — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...>

Hi,

34 messages 2011/10/02
[#39840] Re: Discussion results — Intransition <transfire@...> 2011/10/02

I did not have the fortune of attending the discussion, but I would

[#39844] Re: Discussion results — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/10/02

Hi,

[#39851] Re: Discussion results (here documents with indents) — "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@...> 2011/10/03

Hello Matz,

[#39862] Re: Discussion results (here documents with indents) — Yusuke Endoh <mame@...> 2011/10/03

Hello,

[#39874] Re: Discussion results (here documents with indents) — Trans <transfire@...> 2011/10/03

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:

[#39915] [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #5400][Open] Remove flip-flops in 2.0 — Magnus Holm <judofyr@...>

29 messages 2011/10/04

[#39957] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #5407][Open] Cannot build ruby-1.9.3-rc1 with TDM-GCC 4.6.1 on Windows XP SP3 — Heesob Park <phasis@...>

11 messages 2011/10/05

[#39993] [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #2348] RBTree Should be Added to the Standard Library — David Graham <david.malcom.graham@...>

10 messages 2011/10/06

[#40037] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #5422][Open] File.fnmatch != Dir.glob # {no,sets} — Suraj Kurapati <sunaku@...>

14 messages 2011/10/07

[#40073] [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #5427][Open] Not complex patch to improve `require` time (load.c) — Yura Sokolov <funny.falcon@...>

31 messages 2011/10/09

[#40090] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #5433][Open] PTY.spawn Kernel panic on macos lion — Gamaliel Toro <argami@...>

14 messages 2011/10/10

[#40188] [Ruby 2.0 - Feature #5454] keyword arguments — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>

16 messages 2011/10/17
[#40189] Re: [Ruby 2.0 - Feature #5454] keyword arguments — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2011/10/17

This looks very interesting! Would someone be willing to translate to english? I've only got a vague idea of what is being discussed.

[#40191] Re: [Ruby 2.0 - Feature #5454] keyword arguments — Yutaka Hara <yutaka.hara@...> 2011/10/18

Hi,

[#40192] Re: [Ruby 2.0 - Feature #5454] keyword arguments — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/10/18

Hi,

[#40259] Counseling — Perry Smith <pedzsan@...>

Ruby and I are back in counseling... Its always the same thing with her. "I'm throwing an Encoding exception!!!"

21 messages 2011/10/21
[#40263] Re: Counseling — "Haase, Konstantin" <Konstantin.Haase@...> 2011/10/21

What's your $LC_CTYPE? What OS are you on?

[#40264] Re: Counseling — Gon軋lo Silva <goncalossilva@...> 2011/10/21

Hi all,

[#40266] Re: Counseling — Bill Kelly <billk@...> 2011/10/21

Gon軋lo Silva wrote:

[#40267] Re: Counseling — Perry Smith <pedzsan@...> 2011/10/22

[#40268] Re: Counseling — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2011/10/22

On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Perry Smith wrote:

[#40269] Re: Counseling — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...> 2011/10/22

To try and cut to the core of the issue: in Ruby 1.8 it was common practice to use the String class to represent both "proper strings" as well as a "bag-o-bytes". In Ruby 1.9, you can only properly use the String class to represent "proper strings". For a "bag-o-bytes" we're left with Array, but there are times when Array is not the right abstraction (e.g. reading data from a socket, identifying a start and stop token, and writing the bytes between to a file on disk). Also, the "BINARY" encoding is not the right abstraction, because you still have an object which will worry about encodings and, due to Ruby always trying to do "the right thing", bugs can be very difficult to track down. Consider:

[#40271] Can rubygems save us from "binary-compatibility hell"? — Yusuke Endoh <mame@...>

Hello, rubygems developers --

17 messages 2011/10/22

[#40290] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5474][Assigned] keyword argument — Yusuke Endoh <mame@...>

36 messages 2011/10/23
[#40414] Re: [ruby-trunk - Feature #5474][Assigned] keyword argument — Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...> 2011/10/26

More refinement below. I think we're on a good path here.

[#40416] Re: [ruby-trunk - Feature #5474][Assigned] keyword argument — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/10/26

Hi,

[#40418] Re: [ruby-trunk - Feature #5474][Assigned] keyword argument — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...> 2011/10/26

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org>wrote:

[#40425] Re: [ruby-trunk - Feature #5474][Assigned] keyword argument — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/10/27

Hi,

[#40298] Re: [ruby-trunk - Feature #5474][Assigned] keyword argument — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/10/24

Hi,

[#40311] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5478][Open] import Set into core, add syntax — Konstantin Haase <Konstantin.Haase@...>

33 messages 2011/10/24

[#40312] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5479][Open] import StringIO into core, add String#to_io — Konstantin Haase <Konstantin.Haase@...>

9 messages 2011/10/24
[#40350] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5479] import StringIO into core, add String#to_io — Charles Nutter <headius@...> 2011/10/25

[#40316] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5481][Open] Gemifying Ruby standard library — Hiroshi Nakamura <nakahiro@...>

86 messages 2011/10/24
[#40334] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5481] Gemifying Ruby standard library — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2011/10/25

[#40322] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5482][Open] Rubinius as basis for Ruby 2.0 — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...>

19 messages 2011/10/25

[#40356] JIT development for MRI — Carter Cheng <cartercheng@...>

Hello,

25 messages 2011/10/25
[#40390] Re: JIT development for MRI — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...> 2011/10/26

Hi,

[#40394] Re: JIT development for MRI — Carter Cheng <cartercheng@...> 2011/10/26

Dear Koichi SASADA,

[#40395] Re: JIT development for MRI — Carter Cheng <cartercheng@...> 2011/10/26

I noticed that you used context threading in YARV. Do you have some analysis

[#40417] Re: JIT development for MRI — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...> 2011/10/26

Thanks for reference.

[#40423] Re: JIT development for MRI — Carter Cheng <cartercheng@...> 2011/10/26

Thanks Koichi.

[#40412] [ruby-trunk - Bug #5486][Open] rb_stat() doesn’t respect input encoding — Nikolai Weibull <now@...>

15 messages 2011/10/26

[#40462] [ruby-trunk - Bug #5492][Open] MinGW Installation with Ruby 1.9.3rc1 Broken — Charlie Savage <cfis@...>

14 messages 2011/10/27

[#40573] [ruby-trunk - Bug #5530][Open] SEEK_SET malfunctions when used with 'append' File.open mode — "Joshua J. Drake" <ruby-lang.jdrake@...>

17 messages 2011/10/31

[#40586] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5531][Open] deep_value for dealing with nested hashes — Kyle Peyton <kylepeyton@...>

19 messages 2011/10/31

[ruby-core:39907] Re: Modules as library forms

From: Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>
Date: 2011-10-04 01:50:11 UTC
List: ruby-core #39907
On Monday, October 3, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Gary Wright wrote:
> It isn't clear to me how this solves the scoping problem. Consider:
> 
> class Foo
>  String = String.except(A)
> 
>  s = "a string literal"
>  s.some_method_from_module_A  # NoMethodError ??
> end
> 
> How exactly is Ruby going to determine that the literal should be an instance of Foo::String rather than ::String? What if I call File.read within the class block? Will the returned string be a Foo::String? If so, how is File.read supposed to implement that?

 So, to answer your first point, string literals would still be instances of the top-level string class. If you wanted a string without A mixed in, you would do: 

 class Foo
 String = String.except(A)

 s = String.new("a string literal")
 end

As for the second question, File.read would still return a ::String.

Actually, I removed a final paragraph from my original proposal because I thought it might be a bit too confusing, but in this case I think it would actually make things clearer. In addition to Module#only, Module#except, Module#prefix, and Module#rename, I would also propose Binding#import which would allow one to inject a library form (Class/Module) into the binding of another library form, returning a new library form (essentially cloning the class and binding and dynamically injecting a new binding). This way, if you wanted File.read to return a String with module A excluded, you would do:

 class Foo
 myString = String.except(A)
 myFile = File.send(:binding).import(myString)
 #=> myFile will now create Strings excluding module A upon String.new
 def bar
 s = myFile.read('/path/to/file')
 s.some_method_from_module_A #=> NoMethodError
 end
 end

(Note that in this example I used myString and myFile to make the modifications clear, but assigning to String and File should have the same effect.) The biggest issue I can foresee with this proposal is that cloning a binding might get very costly. I think that in order for this part of my proposal to work, we would need to re-think the openness of bindings in Ruby (something that I have actively advocated for anyhow).

I should also say that to keep the code cleaner, I think I would actually prefer a Module#import instead of requiring the programmer to manually extract the binding and inject the new form, but the same underlying manipulations of module/class bindings would need to occur regardless.

Thanks for the feedback!

- Josh

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