[#2529] concerns about Proc,lambda,block — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
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[#2575] Comment football being played... with lib/test/unit.rb — Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@...>
[Resent because I accidentally signed it the first time]
[#2577] problem with Net::HTTP in 1.8.1 — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
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[#2582] One more proc question — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
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On Friday, 5 March 2004 at 12:52:15 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
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[#2588] Duck typing chapter — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
I've posted a rough first pass at a chapter about duck typing (and
[#2606] Thought about class definitions — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
If we allowed
[#2628] YAML complaint while generating RDoc — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
With the latest CVS, I get
[#2640] patch to tempfile.rb to handle ENAMETOOLONG — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#2644] RDoc proporsal — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp>
Hi, rubyists.
[#2646] Problems rdoc'ing cvs... — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
I have just done
On Friday, March 12, 2004, 4:15:42 AM, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Dave Thomas wrote:
[#2661] Pathological slowdown in 1.8 — Ryan Davis <ryand@...>
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[#2697] lib/ruby/1.9/yaml.rb:193: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:42:42AM +0900, why the lucky stiff wrote:
[#2703] Proposed patch to add SSL support to net/pop.rb — Daniel Hobe <daniel@...>
This patch adds support to Net::POP for doing POP over SSL. Modeled on how
This is v2 of the patch. Cleaned up a bit and added some more docs.
v3 of the patch:
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I agree that there are a lot of arguments to #start, but I think it is the
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:05:06PM +0900, Minero Aoki wrote:
[#2709] typos in lib/singleton.rb — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
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[#2713] more spelling and grammar fixes — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
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concerns about Proc,lambda,block
Hi -- Dave's post about the block/proc/Proc section in the Pickaxe got me thinking further about this whole area. I think Dave's explanation is about as good as one can give -- and that's what worries me. In particular, the fact that Ruby is now doing something that requires the concept of "contexts" to explain strikes me as an indication of a possible problem. We've now got, essentially, Proc-in-an-iterator-context and Proc-in- a-closure-context, as well as blocks (not Blocks), which are a language construct but not an object. I know Matz tried and rejected the possibility of having two classes: Proc -> method-like arg semantics Block -> iterator-like arg semantics and building everything else up from that. I admit I never understood why that was rejected. It seems to involve fewer twists than having Proc objects choose their semantics based on their context. I could also imagine thinking of "closure" as the most basic, fundamental description, covering any callable piece of code that carried its creation environment with it. Code blocks and Procs would then all be closures (or Closures?). I'm also wondering about the warnings for non-matching arglists for block semantics. If arity isn't strict, why give a warning? Shouldn't it just either be allowed or not allowed? Also, Dave's (correct, I believe) use of the phrase "for historical reasons" troubled me.... With 2.0, big changes are allowed. Hopefully historical reasons alone won't be sufficient -- ? Anyway... I've really tried to look at this as carefully as I can, and I still find it hard to reconcile myself to these aspects of it. Comments and further thoughts very welcome. David -- David A. Black dblack@wobblini.net