[#372953] Strange whitespace parsing behavior on Ruby 1.8.7 (patchlevel 249/302) — Ehsanul Hoque <ehsanul_g3@...>

13 messages 2010/11/02
[#372956] Re: Strange whitespace parsing behavior on Ruby 1.8.7 (patchlevel 249/302) — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Ehsanul Hoque <ehsanul_g3@hotmail.com> wrot=

[#372978] Re: Strange whitespace parsing behavior on Ruby 1.8.7 (patchlevel 249/302) — Ehsanul Hoque <ehsanul_g3@...> 2010/11/02

[#373013] Regular Expression — Dv Dasari <dv.mymail@...>

I am trying to write a reqular expression to match a word with my input

22 messages 2010/11/02
[#373016] Re: Regular Expression — Richard Conroy <richard.conroy@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Dv Dasari <dv.mymail@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373018] Re: Regular Expression — Kendall Gifford <zettabyte@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Richard Conroy <richard.conroy@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373049] UTF-8 aware chop for 1.8? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2010/11/03

[#373070] Ruby Perofrmance — Ruby Me <i_baseet@...>

Hi

21 messages 2010/11/03

[#373097] Ruby vs PHP for the web — Ruby Me <i_baseet@...>

Hi

43 messages 2010/11/04
[#373461] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Charles Calvert <cbciv@...> 2010/11/10

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:49:22 -0500, Ruby Me <i_baseet@hotmail.com>

[#373534] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/11/11

Charles Calvert wrote in post #960599:

[#373563] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2010/11/12

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#373585] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/12

2010/11/12 Jes=FAs Gabriel y Gal=E1n <jgabrielygalan@gmail.com>

[#373220] Create a class - ideas — flebber <flebber.crue@...>

15 messages 2010/11/06

[#373248] Code in a class but not in a method -- please explain! — "Bruce F." <brucedfeist@...>

I'm a newcomer to Ruby, and I'm confused about what executable

10 messages 2010/11/07

[#373260] sort_by is not stable ? — Michel Demazure <michel@...>

sort_by is not a stable sorting method (ruby 1.9.2 p0)

22 messages 2010/11/07
[#373262] Re: sort_by is not stable ? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/11/07

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Michel Demazure <michel@demazure.com> wrot=

[#373264] Re: sort_by is not stable ? — Michel Demazure <michel@...> 2010/11/07

Ammar Ali wrote in post #959889:

[#373265] Re: sort_by is not stable ? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/11/07

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michel Demazure <michel@demazure.com> wrote:

[#373266] irb misbehaviour with arrow keys on Windows — Marvin Gülker <sutniuq@...>

Hi there,

10 messages 2010/11/07

[#373352] ruby-pg gem fails to install — Rajinder Yadav <devguy.ca@...>

i built postgres 9.0 from source and i am trying to install ruby-pg

11 messages 2010/11/08

[#373397] Analyzer for errors in code ? — David Unric <dunric29a@...>

Hello,

19 messages 2010/11/09

[#373421] help with code, new to programming — Steve Rees <stevoreesimo@...>

I am new to programming and have been learning Ruby using online

13 messages 2010/11/09

[#373479] ruby ORM — zuerrong <zuerrong@...>

Hello,

64 messages 2010/11/11
[#373480] Re: ruby ORM — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2010/11/11

I've been writing Ruby for three days now. DataMapper seems very good.

[#373607] ORM's - Don't Do It! — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/11/12

Sam Duncan wrote in post #960638:

[#373616] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#373634] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@...> 2010/11/12

[#373663] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/13

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Petite Abeille

[#373666] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/11/13

My problem is the mismatch.

[#373676] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/13

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#373746] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — "Skye Shaw!@#$" <skye.shaw@...> 2010/11/14

On Nov 12, 8:47=A0am, Mike Stephens <rub...@recitel.net> wrote

[#374853] DRM Principle - Don't Repeat Microsoft — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/03

I was thinking about this last night and it's part of a belief I have

[#373481] what's an object? — "Eva" <eva54321@...>

SSdtIGFsc28gc3dpdGNoaW5nIGZyb20gcGVybCBhbmQgcGhwLgpJJ20gbm90IHN1cmUgaW4gcnVi

55 messages 2010/11/11
[#373482] Re: what's an object? — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/11/11

Simple answer: everything. Everything is considered an object,

[#373490] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/11

> Simple answer: everything. Everything is considered an object,

[#373500] Re: what's an object? — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/11/11

Not that I know the internals of the language well enough to debate the

[#373504] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/11

> Not that I know the internals of the language well enough to debate the

[#373511] Re: what's an object? — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/11/11

Fair enough. The link even cites the Ruby spec to indicate that

[#373522] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/11

Did you recognize the difference between a method and a Method object?

[#373528] Re: what's an object? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/11

Disclaimer: I seem to be in a crabby mood this morning. I went back over it

[#373569] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/12

Hi, Josh

[#373571] Re: what's an object? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Xavier Noria <fxn@hashref.com> wrote:

[#373572] Re: what's an object? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373576] Re: what's an object? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Xavier Noria <fxn@hashref.com> wrote:

[#373582] Re: what's an object? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrot=

[#373536] Parsing XML with Ruby — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...>

I need to hit an https link and pass a username and password in order to

17 messages 2010/11/12
[#373547] Re: Parsing XML with Ruby — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...> 2010/11/12

It seems to be working...here is my test code:

[#373539] Scheme's (cond ((assertion) (value))...(else (value))) statement implemented in ruby? — timr <timrandg@...>

Hi Rubyists,

10 messages 2010/11/12

[#373599] help sorting objects by their instance field — Aaron Haas <aaron4osu@...>

I'm trying to figure out how to sort objects in an array by one of their

14 messages 2010/11/12

[#373618] Fast Debugger (Ruby 1.9.2, DevKit 4.5.0, JDK 6u22, NetBeans 6.9.1) — Allan Chin <achin5957@...>

I've been trying to run this configuration in debug mode on my Windows

17 messages 2010/11/12

[#373680] an each/block problem — Paul Roche <prpaulroche@...>

Hi, I want to take the value from an each method and place it in a

12 messages 2010/11/13

[#373722] Mysql::Result .each_hash - unexpected result — Andy Tolle <durexlw.register@...>

Consider the following code:

12 messages 2010/11/14
[#373738] Re: Mysql::Result .each_hash - unexpected result — botp <botpena@...> 2010/11/14

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Andy Tolle <durexlw.register@gmail.com> wr=

[#373745] Re: Mysql::Result .each_hash - unexpected result — Andy Tolle <durexlw.register@...> 2010/11/14

botp wrote in post #961345:

[#373773] please help load from txt — Lark Work <lars_werkman@...>

hi i new to this forum and i have a problem a made a script containing a

17 messages 2010/11/15

[#373787] Can't get Ruby programs to work from Command Prompt — Dd Dd <dd25@...>

Hello; I'm having a problem running Ruby programs through the command

10 messages 2010/11/15

[#373852] cool.io 0.9.0: a cool event framework for Ruby (formerly known as Rev) based on libev — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...>

Github: https://github.com/tarcieri/cool.io

15 messages 2010/11/16
[#374061] Re: [ANN] cool.io 0.9.0: a cool event framework for Ruby (formerly known as Rev) based on libev — Eric Wong <normalperson@...> 2010/11/19

Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com> wrote:

[#373930] Ruby Not observing DRY principle — flebber <flebber.crue@...>

HI I am hoping you can give me some guidance. I feel I really am

17 messages 2010/11/18

[#373990] Where to start from? — Ruby Me <i_baseet@...>

Hi guys,

16 messages 2010/11/18

[#374001] Ruby Programming — Tridib Bandopadhyay <tridib04@...>

Hello

18 messages 2010/11/18

[#374104] gsub and backslashes — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Consider the string

16 messages 2010/11/20
[#374151] Re: gsub and backslashes — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/21

Ralph Shnelvar wrote in post #962847:

[#374114] Problem regarding regular expression — Stanford Ng <ngkooinam@...>

puts( /^[a-z 0-9]*$/ =~ 'Well hello 123' ) # no match due to ^ and

12 messages 2010/11/21

[#374127] why i can't find my ruby ? — Pen Ttt <myocean135@...>

i installed ruby this way:

18 messages 2010/11/21

[#374210] system() or process.create? — Fengfeng Li <lifengfeng@...>

Hi everyone,

13 messages 2010/11/23

[#374229] Regex negative look-behind bug? — Ruby Nuby <b1st@...>

irb, Ruby 1.9.1

14 messages 2010/11/23

[#374232] Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Peter Pincus <peter.pincus@...>

Hi,

85 messages 2010/11/23
[#374313] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Jörg W Mittag <JoergWMittag+Ruby@...> 2010/11/25

David Masover wrote:

[#374394] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/26

On Wednesday, November 24, 2010 08:40:22 pm J=F6rg W Mittag wrote:

[#374406] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/26

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 1:42 AM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374425] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/27

On Friday, November 26, 2010 05:51:38 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374444] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/27

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374448] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/27

On Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:41:59 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374452] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/27

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:50 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374462] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/28

On Saturday, November 27, 2010 02:47:12 pm Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374470] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/28

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:56 AM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374472] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/28

On Sunday, November 28, 2010 08:00:18 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374475] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/28

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:33 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374488] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/28

On Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:19:06 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374241] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist@...> 2010/11/23

[#374260] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/24

Chuck Remes wrote in post #963430:

[#374264] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Michael Fellinger <m.fellinger@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374274] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/24

Michael Fellinger wrote in post #963539:

[#374278] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374281] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/24

Phillip Gawlowski wrote in post #963602:

[#374287] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374293] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Phillip Gawlowski <

[#374294] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:

[#374332] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/11/25

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374299] Ruby's "More than one way to do things." — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

There is one point made about Python vs. Ruby on this site:

23 messages 2010/11/24

[#374431] relative-require v1.0 — "zimbatm ..." <jonas@...>

relative-require.rb

12 messages 2010/11/27

[#374437] How to use Ruby like shell script? — Yu-Hsuan Lai <raincolee@...>

Can I use ruby like my linux shell script(e.x. bash)?(or on the other hand,

21 messages 2010/11/27
[#374446] Re: How to use Ruby like shell script? — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2010/11/27

On Nov 27, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Yu-Hsuan Lai wrote:

[#374550] ruby on server side — Rajesh Huria <rajesh.huria@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2010/11/29

[#374557] Help sorting an array — Jim Burgess <jack.zelig@...>

Hi,

32 messages 2010/11/29
[#374730] Re: Help sorting an array — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/01

If you've ever read "Real Programmers don't use Pascal" (see

[#374747] Re: Help sorting an array — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/12/01

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#374751] Try it and see. — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/01

Ammar Ali wrote in post #965529:

[#374756] Re: Try it and see. — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/12/01

On Wednesday, December 01, 2010 03:04:42 pm Mike Stephens wrote:

[#374771] Re: Try it and see. — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/02

David Masover wrote in post #965565:.

[#374587] RFC Future Ruby hash literal syntax — Michael Kaelbling <michael.kaelbling@...>

REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Change to future Ruby hash literal syntax

15 messages 2010/11/29

[#374619] installing ncurses and IDE — Nikita Kuznetsov <moog_master@...>

Hi all, I was recently advised to use ncurses in order to do some event

11 messages 2010/11/30

[#374632] 'require' is not recognised — Tara Keane <tararakeane@...>

New to Ruby and trying to run benchmark

14 messages 2010/11/30

Re: Analyzer for errors in code ?

From: Brian Candler <b.candler@...>
Date: 2010-11-11 14:49:59 UTC
List: ruby-talk #373525
David Unric wrote in post #960444:
> My appologies I did not realized sooner the deeper conceptual
> differencies between these languages.
> Despite of that, if Ruby cann't decide if mymsg is a variable or a
> method call in advance, how does it rule out the possibility for a
> static parser to notify the 'mymsg' symbol has no assignment or method
> definiton in the source code ?

On the contrary: ruby *does* always decide (statically, at parse time, 
not at run-time) whether a bareword is a local variable or a method 
call, based on whether a previous assignment statement exists previously 
in the same scope.

e.g.

def foo
  if false
    x = 123
  end
  puts x           # prints nil - x is a local variable
  puts y           # NameError
  puts z()         # NoMethodError
end
foo

Although the assignment to x was never executed, it exists in the parse 
tree before the point where it is referenced. Therefore at that point 
bareword x is known to be a local variable. At runtime the value is nil 
because no assignment was actually executed.

y is decided statically to be a method call, as the parsetree shows, 
because no assignment was seen. Note however that the error message says 
"undefined local variable or method `y'". The programmer might have 
meant to assign to a local variable called y, or might have meant to 
define a method called y. Neither was done, but Ruby has no way to tell 
which you intended.

z() is known from the syntax definitely to be a method call, and so the 
error is "undefined method `z'". The same would be true for self.z. It 
doesn't matter whether a statement z=... exists earlier.

Unfortunately, because Ruby doesn't require you to annotate your code, 
there is no additional information which could be used to highlight an 
anomaly.

For example, in perl, scalar variables are flagged by $. If you do

   $myarg = 123;
   ...
   print $my_arg;

it can see that $my_arg is used only once, and is therefore likely an 
error. With 'use strict' you are forced to declare your variables, so 
every variable must have a matching declaration.

The non-verbose nature of Ruby, combined with the dynamic definition of 
methods at runtime means that these tests simply can't be done. Dynamic 
method definitions are very widely used - look at code which uses 
ActiveRecord for instance. The methods in an object are based on the 
columns in the database which the program connects to.

And what this means is, you need tests. Your test suite needs to execute 
each line of code in your source at least once. A code coverage tool 
like 'rcov' can help you achieve that, or if you are paranoid look at 
'heckle'.

Is this harder or more expensive than static code checking? Only if you 
take the point of view that you don't need unit tests.

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