[#8997] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, matz wrote:

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[#8998] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/04

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[#9029] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2006/10/08

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#9030] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/08

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[#9034] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Dave Burt <dave@...> 2006/10/09

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#9041] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/09

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[#9042] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — dblack@... 2006/10/09

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[#9043] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/09

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[#9044] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — dblack@... 2006/10/09

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[#9045] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/09

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[#9047] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — dblack@... 2006/10/09

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[#9050] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/09

On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:19 AM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#9053] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Eero Saynatkari <ruby-ml@...> 2006/10/09

On 2006.10.10 00:31, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#9055] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/09

On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Eero Saynatkari wrote:

[#9056] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — dblack@... 2006/10/09

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[#9054] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — dblack@... 2006/10/09

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[#9066] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/09

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[#9072] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — dblack@... 2006/10/10

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[#9083] Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/10

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[#9119] What about 'splay'? — dblack@...

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[#9122] Re: What about 'splay'? — Eero Saynatkari <ruby-ml@...> 2006/10/11

On 2006.10.12 02:32, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#9127] Re: What about 'splay'? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2006/10/11

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 13:55, Eero Saynatkari wrote:

[#9188] Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — dblack@...

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[#9192] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/16

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[#9212] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Charles Oliver Nutter <Charles.O.Nutter@...> 2006/10/17

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#9238] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Charles Oliver Nutter <Charles.O.Nutter@...> 2006/10/18

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#9244] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2006/10/18

On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 05:06:02AM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#9255] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/19

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[#9256] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2006/10/19

Quoting matz@ruby-lang.org, on Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0900:

[#9190] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2006/10/16

On 10/15/06, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#9191] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — dblack@... 2006/10/16

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[#9194] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2006/10/16

On 10/15/06, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#9196] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/16

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[#9202] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2006/10/16

On 10/16/06, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#9203] Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8 — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/16

On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote:

[#9205] String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2006/10/16

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 05:14:09AM +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#9218] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2006/10/17

On 10/16/06, Sam Roberts <sroberts@uniserve.com> wrote:

[#9220] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2006/10/17

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[#9225] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/18

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[#9226] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/18

On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:29 PM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#9230] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/18

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[#9231] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2006/10/18

On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:18 AM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#9232] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2006/10/18

On 10/18/06, Eric Hodel <drbrain@segment7.net> wrote:

[#9234] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — mathew <meta@...> 2006/10/18

On 10/18/06, Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se> wrote:

[#9236] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2006/10/18

On 10/18/06, mathew <meta@pobox.com> wrote:

[#9237] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Mauricio Fernandez <mfp@...> 2006/10/18

On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 04:24:24AM +0900, Nikolai Weibull wrote:

[#9240] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2006/10/18

On 10/18/06, Mauricio Fernandez <mfp@acm.org> wrote:

[#9242] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/18

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[#9247] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2006/10/19

On 10/18/06, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#9250] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Jim Weirich <jim@...> 2006/10/19

Rick DeNatale wrote:

[#9261] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/19

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[#9262] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/19

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[#9264] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/19

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[#9267] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2006/10/19

On 10/19/06, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#9277] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/19

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[#9285] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2006/10/20

On 10/19/06, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#9288] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/20

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[#9289] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Jim Weirich <jim@...> 2006/10/20

dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#9294] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/10/20

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[#9300] Re: String not enumerable, what about IO? (was Re: Symbol < String in Ruby > 1.8) — dblack@... 2006/10/20

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Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to

From: Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>
Date: 2006-10-08 14:22:21 UTC
List: ruby-core #9030
Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-cvs:18323] ruby: * eval.c (splat_value): use "to_splat" instead of "to_ary" to"
    on Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:05:30 +0900, Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca> writes:

|> Could you explain how to_splat be bad?
|
|It makes one more thing to remember about Ruby 1.9, which is a bigger 
|language than Ruby 1.8, which is a bigger language than Ruby 1.6. You 
|don't have to compete with Perl 6, and you don't even have to compare Ruby 
|2 to Perl 6 thinking how much simpler Ruby 2 is.

Every language grows in more recent version, as Ruby does, and PL/I
did, until it grows too much to collapse into a black hole by its own
gravity.  It's kind a like destiny.  Otherwise the language will die.

For people who don't like growing languages, the current 1.8 was
forked off from the development line (or perhaps, 1.9 was forked off
from the stable line).  They will be happy using "stable" Ruby.

|> to_a was too general.  All enumerable objects (and even more) have
|> to_a method.
|
|If I put a star in front of an expression in an argument-list, what else 
|can it say than "splat me" and why should you feel a duty to prevent it?

I don't think I prevent anything.  I just allowed objects to respond
the order "splat me" in its own manner.  I considered it adding
flexibility.  You can ignore it for most of the cases.  Only few
people who create a new array-like object need to care.

|> to_ary was too narrow. Only array compatible objects have to_ary.
|> I wanted something in between.
|
|Could you explain why you want something in between? If you don't want 
|to_a here, then what could you want the splat operator to do which is not 
|something easily cured by just appending ".to_a" to the expression that 
|you want to splat?

Implicit is better than explicit (under some condition), since
succinctness is power.

							matz.

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