[#16611] lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

This is one of those e-mails that I know from the start to be futile, =20=

148 messages 2008/05/01
[#16661] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/05/05

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 12:26:47PM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16662] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/05

Hi --

[#16663] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — ts <decoux@...> 2008/05/05

David A. Black wrote:

[#16664] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/05

Hi --

[#16682] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — ara howard <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/05/08

[#16684] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...> 2008/05/08

ara howard wrote:

[#16687] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/08

Hi --

[#16691] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/05/08

[#16692] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/08

Hi --

[#16695] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/05/08

[#16705] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2008/05/11

Not to throw the whole thread into a tizzy again, but why again is:

[#16708] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/05/11

Hi,

[#16720] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/11

Hi,

[#16721] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/12

Hi --

[#16722] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16723] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2008/05/12

[#16724] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16726] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nathan Weizenbaum <nex342@...> 2008/05/12

What about "fn" or "fun", for "function"?

[#16728] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16731] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2008/05/12

[#16732] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16759] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/13

Hi --

[#16766] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/14

Hi,

[#16784] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/18

Hi --

[#16795] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nate_Wiger@... 2008/05/19

On Wed, 14 May 2008, David A. Black wrote:

[#16797] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/19

Hi,

[#16798] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Christopher Gill" <gilltots@...> 2008/05/19

how about an uppercase lambda (instead of the usual lowercase one)

[#16802] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Suraj N. Kurapati" <sunaku@...> 2008/05/20

Christopher Gill wrote:

[#16843] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Suraj N. Kurapati" <sunaku@...> 2008/05/22

Suraj N. Kurapati wrote:

[#16846] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...> 2008/05/22

=20

[#16854] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Rados=B3aw_Bu=B3at?=" <radek.bulat@...> 2008/05/22

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[#16857] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2008/05/23

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[#16874] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nate_Wiger@... 2008/05/23

"Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@gmail.com> wrote on 05/22/2008 05:35:01=20

[#16875] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2008/05/23

2008/5/23 <Nate_Wiger@playstation.sony.com>:

[#16886] lambda with normal block syntax — "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...>

This patch is an independent but related one to my previous one. It can be

64 messages 2008/05/25
[#16895] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16900] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...> 2008/05/26

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#16901] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16902] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — "Suraj N. Kurapati" <sunaku@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16903] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16904] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16905] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16907] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16912] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16920] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/26

If I may, here are two entries from the ChangeLog file:

[#16922] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16927] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/26

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16928] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16929] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/26

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16931] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/27

[#16946] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/27

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16947] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — James Gray <james@...> 2008/05/27

On May 27, 2008, at 12:33 PM, David Flanagan wrote:

[#16949] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/27

James Gray wrote:

Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax

From: "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...>
Date: 2008-05-29 17:00:16 UTC
List: ruby-core #17000
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> In message "Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax"
>    on Thu, 29 May 2008 22:59:41 +0900, "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@gmail.com> writes:
>
> |> The case I hate most is
> |>
> |>  meth {|a|...}
> |>
> |> can be parsed (by humans) both
> |>
> |>  meth({|a|...})
> |>
> |> and
> |>
> |>  meth() {|a|...}
> |>
> |> having too confusing semantics.
> |
> |But, this ambiguity already exists today:
> |
> |meth {}
> |
> |can be parsed (by humans) both
> |
> |meth({}) # {} is a Hash
> |
> |and
> |
> |meth() {} # {} is a block
> |
> |Precedence resolves this: block has higher precedence.
>
> Yes, but hashes and blocks are completely different beasts; in
> contrast blocks and lambdas are too similar (yet different).
>
>                                                        matz.

But, there are other cases where the same symbol is used for similar
but different things (i.e. binary vs. unary operations, [] indexing
vs. array creation).  Here's a list of possible ambiguities we have
today along these same lines I could come up with for those that don't
use ()'s around arguments:

def foo(*args, &block); args<<block; end
foo = 42
bar = lambda { "bar" }
q = 43
s = 1
module A; end
A = 44

p(foo {})                # => [#<Proc:0x00000000@preced.rb:11>]
p(foo({}))               # => [{}, nil]

p(foo [0])               # => 0
p(foo([0]))              # => [[0], nil]

p(foo -1)                # => 41
p(foo(-1))               # => [-1, nil]

p(foo +1)                # => 43
p(foo(+1))               # => [1, nil]

p(foo *2)                # => 84
p(foo(*2))               # => [2, nil]

p(foo /2/s)              # => 21
p(foo(/2/s))             # => [/2/s, nil]

p(foo &3)                # => 2
p(foo(&bar))             # => [#<Proc:0xb7cafbe0@preced.rb:7>]

p(foo (1), 2)            # => [1, nil]
                         # => 2
p(foo((1), 2))           # => [1, 2, nil]

p(foo %q)                # => 42
p(foo(%q<hello>))        # => ["hello", nil]

p(foo <<1)               # => 84
p(foo(<<1))              # => ["world\n", nil]
world
1

p(foo ?A : nil)          # => 44
p(foo(?A))               # => [65, nil]

p(true ? foo :A)         # => 42
p(true ? foo(:A) : nil)  # => [:A, nil]
p(true ? foo(::A) : nil) # => [44, nil]


In all of the above cases, it looks like if a symbol can be
interpreted as an infix operator (in a binary or ternary operation) it
takes precedence over being interpreted as a prefix/unary operator.

The only other case I found with a 3-way ambiguity was the ":" case
above.  I think this would be similar to the 3-way ambiguity between
block, hash, and lambda that I proposed.

Anyways, thank you for the consideration of these patches.  I'm glad
to see that you'll be adopting the defaults for block arguments patch
as it is the more important one.  The bare block lambda patch is just
syntactic sugar.

Eric

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