[#16611] lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

This is one of those e-mails that I know from the start to be futile, =20=

148 messages 2008/05/01
[#16661] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/05/05

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 12:26:47PM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16662] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/05

Hi --

[#16663] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — ts <decoux@...> 2008/05/05

David A. Black wrote:

[#16664] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/05

Hi --

[#16682] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — ara howard <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/05/08

[#16684] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...> 2008/05/08

ara howard wrote:

[#16687] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/08

Hi --

[#16691] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/05/08

[#16692] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/08

Hi --

[#16695] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/05/08

[#16705] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2008/05/11

Not to throw the whole thread into a tizzy again, but why again is:

[#16708] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/05/11

Hi,

[#16720] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/11

Hi,

[#16721] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/12

Hi --

[#16722] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16723] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2008/05/12

[#16724] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16726] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nathan Weizenbaum <nex342@...> 2008/05/12

What about "fn" or "fun", for "function"?

[#16728] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16731] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Evan Phoenix <evan@...> 2008/05/12

[#16732] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/12

Hi,

[#16759] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/13

Hi --

[#16766] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/14

Hi,

[#16784] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/05/18

Hi --

[#16795] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nate_Wiger@... 2008/05/19

On Wed, 14 May 2008, David A. Black wrote:

[#16797] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/19

Hi,

[#16798] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Christopher Gill" <gilltots@...> 2008/05/19

how about an uppercase lambda (instead of the usual lowercase one)

[#16802] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Suraj N. Kurapati" <sunaku@...> 2008/05/20

Christopher Gill wrote:

[#16843] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Suraj N. Kurapati" <sunaku@...> 2008/05/22

Suraj N. Kurapati wrote:

[#16846] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...> 2008/05/22

=20

[#16854] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Rados=B3aw_Bu=B3at?=" <radek.bulat@...> 2008/05/22

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[#16857] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2008/05/23

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[#16874] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — Nate_Wiger@... 2008/05/23

"Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@gmail.com> wrote on 05/22/2008 05:35:01=20

[#16875] Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2008/05/23

2008/5/23 <Nate_Wiger@playstation.sony.com>:

[#16886] lambda with normal block syntax — "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...>

This patch is an independent but related one to my previous one. It can be

64 messages 2008/05/25
[#16895] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16900] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...> 2008/05/26

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#16901] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16902] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — "Suraj N. Kurapati" <sunaku@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16903] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16904] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16905] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16907] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16912] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/05/26

Hi,

[#16920] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/26

If I may, here are two entries from the ChangeLog file:

[#16922] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16927] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/26

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16928] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/26

[#16929] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/26

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16931] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/05/27

[#16946] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/27

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#16947] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — James Gray <james@...> 2008/05/27

On May 27, 2008, at 12:33 PM, David Flanagan wrote:

[#16949] Re: [PATCH] lambda with normal block syntax — David Flanagan <david@...> 2008/05/27

James Gray wrote:

Re: lambda, ->, haskell, and so on

From: Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>
Date: 2008-05-01 07:50:29 UTC
List: ruby-core #16614
> Is it too late for Ruby 1.9 to support lambdas that look like
> 
>    \ p1, p1 -> { block }

Not being a Haskell user, I have to ask: did you mean to write a block with
two parameters, like this?

    \ p1, p2 -> { block }

If not, it's a violation of DRY :-)

To me, backslash looks like an escaping operator (in strings and regexps, or
avoiding newline splits). So personally I find it ugly and unnatural.

As an example, presumably we talking about writing

    doit(\ p1, p2 -> { p1 + p2 }, \ msg -> { puts msg })

instead of

    doit(lambda { |p1, p2| p1 + p2 }, lambda { |msg| puts msg })

?

I generally use proc{...} anyway, even if it does have slightly different
semantics.

You could always take a leaf out of Paul Graham's book:
http://www.paulgraham.com/arcll1.html

"in Arc, lambda is called fn. This idea appalled me at first, but it seemed
like fn would be shorter and at least as expressive. What if I was just used
to lambda? So, with a queasy sense of duty, I decided to try it. And after a
few days I actually liked fn better. Now it seems clear to me that lambda is
an onion: Alonzo Church himself wouldn't have used it if he had to write out
the word lambda each time."

But at the end of the day, I'd vote for removing alternative syntaxes
altogether. It becomes harder to sell Ruby if there are too many equivalent
but different idioms to learn.

That's unless it's part of a grand unification plan (e.g. block parameters
gain optional/default arguments, and def methods become blocks). But I don't
think that's the case here.

Regards,

Brian.

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