[#16116] RCRchive shutting down — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi everyone --

22 messages 2008/04/03
[#16119] Re: [ANN] RCRchive shutting down — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/03

This is quite sad news, I feel that a mailing list does not offer all

[#16121] Re: [ANN] RCRchive shutting down — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/04/03

Hi,

[#16122] Re: [ANN] RCRchive shutting down — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/03

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#16123] issue tracking (Re: [ANN] RCRchive shutting down) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/04/03

Hi,

[#16124] Re: issue tracking (Re: [ANN] RCRchive shutting down) — "Meinrad Recheis" <meinrad.recheis@...> 2008/04/03

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#16128] RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>

Hi,

60 messages 2008/04/03
[#16139] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/04/03

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:41:41PM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#16143] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2008/04/03

On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#16146] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/04/03

Hi,

[#16147] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Ezra Zygmuntowicz <ezmobius@...> 2008/04/03

[#16149] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/04/03

Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote:

[#16155] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — "Yemi I. D. Bedu" <yemi@...> 2008/04/03

Hello,

[#16158] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/04/03

Yemi I. D. Bedu wrote:

[#16175] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2008/04/04

On 4 Apr 2008, at 00:23, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#16194] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — Chris Cummer <chris@...> 2008/04/04

On 4-Apr-08, at 3:05 AM, Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#16195] Re: RUBY_IMPLEMENTATION — "Luis Lavena" <luislavena@...> 2008/04/04

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Chris Cummer <chris@postal-code.com> wrote:

[#16240] syntax request — "ry dahl" <ry@...>

Often times when one has many long arguments and orders them like this

42 messages 2008/04/06
[#16263] Re: syntax request — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2008/04/07

[#16266] Re: syntax request — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/08

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bill Kelly wrote:

[#16282] Re: syntax request — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/04/08

On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:23:26PM +0900, David A. Black wrote:

[#16290] Could someone confirm signal handling is broken on OSX? — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

I've raised this before, but no one replied. I'd like to double check

12 messages 2008/04/08

[#16359] design meeting — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2008/04/12

[#16397] Ruby 1.8.7-preview1 has been released — "Akinori MUSHA" <knu@...>

Folks,

16 messages 2008/04/15

[#16482] Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...>

Hi

32 messages 2008/04/22
[#16483] Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/04/22

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:39:29AM +0900, Robert Dober wrote:

[#16484] Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/22

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> wrote:

[#16487] Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/22

Hi --

[#16488] Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2008/04/22

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:44 PM, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:

[#16490] Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/22

Hi --

[#16501] Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method — ts <decoux@...> 2008/04/23

Robert Dober wrote:

[#16507] Drop :: as a . synonym — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

50 messages 2008/04/23
[#16511] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/04/23

David A. Black wrote:

[#16512] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/23

Hi --

[#16525] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/04/23

David A. Black wrote:

[#16527] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/23

Hi --

[#16534] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — Thomas Enebo <Thomas.Enebo@...> 2008/04/23

David A. Black wrote:

[#16546] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/24

Hi --

[#16552] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2008/04/24

Or changing #send to private...or (insert progressive but code

[#16564] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/04/24

Jeremy McAnally wrote:

[#16567] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/04/24

Hi --

[#16570] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/04/24

Hi,

[#16531] Re: [RCR] Drop :: as a . synonym — "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...> 2008/04/23

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:21 AM, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:

Re: Performance on method dispatch for methods defined via define_method

From: Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>
Date: 2008-04-23 17:56:54 UTC
List: ruby-core #16521
Robert Dober wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote:
>> Robert Dober wrote:
>>  > However, if and only if, the block in the define_method does not use
>>  > the closure we could really inline the block as the code of a method
>>  > defined with def.
>>
>>   What do you want to say with "inline" ?
> As others pointed out "inline" surely is not the best name, but I was
> completely ignorant when starting this thread.
> I learnt so much already here I am not stopping now ;)
> Charles how would you denominate this optimization if I may dare
> asking YAFM [ yet another five minutes (c) Robert Dober]
> of your time.

Hmm, block unwrapping? Essentially what you want to do to make 
define_method methods as fast as regular methods is to make them regular 
methods; that means unwrapping the block and making its body the body of 
an actual method, rather than doing block dispatch semantics wrapped in 
method dispatch semantics. And with 1.9's much more restrictive block 
arguments, you're not losing much there. Obviously you lose the fact 
that it might be a true closure, and you'd have to go through the 
AST/bytecode and check for variable depths > 0, but it would be worth it 
to make performance decent. IMHO define_method would be a lot more 
useful if it actually made a (fast) method rather than an ugly (slow) 
conglomeration of a method and a proc.

- Charlie

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