From: Conrad Schneiker <schneiker@...>
Date: 2000-01-16T16:55:51-06:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:01150] Re: The value of while...

From: Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@netlab.co.jp>
Subject: [ruby-talk:01123] Re: The value of while...


> In message "[ruby-talk:01121] Re: The value of while..."
>     on 00/01/12, Clemens Hintze <clemens.hintze@alcatel.de> writes:
<...>
> |> |What about to introduce both? :-)))) If you cannot decide ... take
> |> |both ;-))))
> |>
> |> Taking that strategy, Ruby will grow into Perl sooner or later.
> |> We should think one step smarter. :-)

Only if you take that strategy more than a (very) few times. Even when you
don't take that strategy, thinking through the consequences of it can
sometimes lead to the discovery of a better generalized alternative.

> |Ouch!!! Don't beat me so hard ;-) (have you seen the ';-)))' at the
> |end of that paragraph?) :-)))
>
> Yes, but I'd like to take this chance to re-declare that our strategy
> is one step smarter than P language. :-)
>
> |BTW: Unfortunately there are some Pythonees that already consider Ruby
> |as kind of bastard whose father was Perl, but whose mother is
> |unknown. I have already tried to discuss with them, but to no avail
> |:-(
> |
> |They have had only a glance to Ruby, recognized the embedded regex
> |syntax, see the not-so-small similarities with Perl and damn it
> |therefore for eternity. What a pity for them!!! ;-)))))

That is unfortunate. But given that (1) there are far more Perlers than
Pythonees in the world (at least 10 x more AFAIK), and that (2) most Perl
fans/users seem to generally recognize that Perl's OOP features are in the
"OOPs" (English pun) category, I'd be far more concerned with the reactions
of Perlers than with Pythonees.

Have you had similar (or better or worse) experiences with Perlers than with
Pythonees? Since I plan to submit my revised RFD (request for discussion)
for the formation of a comp.lang.ruby newsgroup later this month (which will
be posted to both comp.lang.perl.misc and comp.lang.python) I am generally
interested in what things have either attracted or repelled previous Perl
users, so that I can make suitable modifications to the RFD, if any.

Conrad