[#36034] [Backport92 - Backport #4651][Open] Bus Error using continuation on x86_64-darwin11.0.0 (Lion) — Erik Michaels-Ober <sferik@...>

17 messages 2011/05/07

[#36058] draft schedule of Ruby 1.9.3 — "Yuki Sonoda (Yugui)" <yugui@...>

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18 messages 2011/05/09

[#36131] Re: [ruby-cvs:38172] Ruby:r30989 (trunk): * include/ruby/win32.h: define WIN32 if neither _WIN64 nor WIN32 defined. it forces to use push/pop for pack(4) pragma. — "Yuki Sonoda (Yugui)" <yugui@...>

Hi arton,

7 messages 2011/05/12

[#36156] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #4683][Open] [PATCH] io.c: copy_stream execute interrupts and retry — Eric Wong <normalperson@...>

11 messages 2011/05/12

[#36316] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #4731][Open] ruby -S irb fails with mingw/msys vanilla builds — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

12 messages 2011/05/18

[#36329] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #4738][Open] gem install fails with "Encoding::ConverterNotFoundError" on windows 7 greek — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

11 messages 2011/05/19

[#36390] [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4766][Open] Range#bsearch — Yusuke Endoh <mame@...>

23 messages 2011/05/22

[#36406] 1.8.7 release next month — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...>

Hello core people,

18 messages 2011/05/23
[#36414] Re: 1.8.7 release next month — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...> 2011/05/23

2011/5/23 Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@ruby-lang.org>:

[#36487] Re: 1.8.7 release next month — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...> 2011/05/26

Hi Luis,

[#36488] Re: 1.8.7 release next month — Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@...> 2011/05/26

From: Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@ruby-lang.org>

[#36496] Re: 1.8.7 release next month — Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@...> 2011/05/26

From: Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp>

[#36712] Re: 1.8.7 release next month — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...> 2011/06/03

Ping Luis, how's it going?

[#36748] Re: 1.8.7 release next month — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...> 2011/06/05

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#36434] [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4774][Open] User Friendly Handling of "Encoding::ConverterNotFoundError" — Lazaridis Ilias <ilias@...>

11 messages 2011/05/24

[#36447] [Ruby 1.9 - Bug #4777][Open] Ruby 1.9.2-p180 ignoring INT, TERM, and QUIT until it receives CONT — Nathan Sobo <nathansobo@...>

10 messages 2011/05/25

[#36559] [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Tom Wardrop <tom@...>

48 messages 2011/05/30
[#36560] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/05/30

Hi,

[#36571] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/05/30

> Iff 'key': 'value'} means {:key => 'value'} I have no objection.

[#36573] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/05/30

Hi,

[#36578] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Cezary <cezary.baginski@...> 2011/05/30

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 04:21:32PM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#36580] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas <rr.rosas@...> 2011/05/30

Em 30-05-2011 07:58, Cezary escreveu:

[#36581] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Michael Edgar <adgar@...> 2011/05/30

Since :"#{abc}" is allowed in Ruby, I imagine that any such substitute syntax would preserve that property.

[#36587] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings — Cezary <cezary.baginski@...> 2011/05/30

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 09:05:04PM +0900, Michael Edgar wrote:

[ruby-core:36596] Re: [Ruby 1.9 - Feature #4801][Open] Shorthand Hash Syntax for Strings

From: Piotr Szotkowski <chastell@...>
Date: 2011-05-30 20:55:39 UTC
List: ruby-core #36596
Cezary:

> I though exactly the same thing, until I realized
> that having keys of different types in a Hash
> isn't really part of the general Hash concept.

Why? [citation needed]

> Consider the following:

> { nil => 0, :foo => 1, 'foo' => 2 }

> Conceptually, people expect Hash keys to be of the same type,
> except maybe for "hacks" like that nil above that can simplify code.

Well, they either do or don’t, then. :)

> If someone out there in the world actually demands that such a Hash
> is valid and that :foo and 'foo' are different keys, you could always
> wrap Hash to support that for that single, specialized case.

Hm, IMHO ‘any object can be a key, just as any object can be
a value’ is the general case, and ‘I want my Strings and Symbols
to be treated the same when they’re similar, oh, and maybe with
the nil handled separately for convenience’ is the specialised case.

> In Ruby "foo" + 123 raises a TypeError. Adding a string
> key to a symbol-keyed Hash doesn't even show a warning.

I don’t see why it should – as long as it still
responds to #hash and #eql?, it’s a valid Hash key.

Hashes in Ruby serve a lot of purposes (they even maintain insertion
order); if you want to limit their functionality, feel free to subclass.

> I consider hashes with different key types different types of hashes,
> that shouldn't even be allowed to merge together without conversion.

There’s nothing preventing you from subclassing Hash to
create StringKeyHash, SymbolKeyHash or even MonoKeyHash
that would limit the keys’ class to the first one defined.

How would you treat subclasses? Let’s say I have a Hash with
keys being instances of People, Employees and Volunteers (with
Employees ans Volunteers being subclasses of People). Should
they all be allowed as keys in a single MonoKeyHash or not?

What about String-only keys, but with different
keys having their own different singleton methods?

(For discussion’s sake: what about if a couple of the Strings
had redefined #hash and #eql? methods, on an instance level?)

> I think the meaning of symbols and hashes are too similar for such
> different types to be allowed as keys in the same Hash instance.

But that would introduce a huge exception in the current
very simple model. Ruby is complicated enough; IMHO we
should strive to make it less complicated, not more.

— Piotr Szotkowski
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// sometimes I believe compiler ignores all my comments



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