[ruby-core:35687] Re: [Ruby 1.8 - Feature #4239] Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?

Good news, Shyouhei! This will help encourage us to move JRuby to 1.9
compatibility by default in the near(er) future.

- Charlie

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Shyouhei Urabe <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Issue #4239 has been updated by Shyouhei Urabe.
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> Hi, I happened to notice this being assigned to me.  So I describe the status in short:
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> "No core developers are currently willing to release 1.8.8."
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> Core people are more and more getting interested in 1.9 development.  Of course you can fork the project so it is technically possible for you to have YOUR OWN 1.8.8, but I think that would rarely happen.  So it is almost certain, that there will be no 1.8.8.
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> 1.8.7 support continues for a while, FYI.
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> Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
> http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/4239
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> Author: Shota Fukumori
> Status: Assigned
> Priority: Normal
> Assignee: Shyouhei Urabe
> Category: core
> Target version: Ruby 1.8.8
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>  # http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/4207
>  = Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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>  Hi,
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>  I know that we cannot release ruby_1_8 branch... more than anyone.
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>  But the time past 3 years from 1.9.0, and 2.5 years from 1.8.7;
>  it will be turned to 3 years in June 2011.
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>  Why I'm marking "3 years," because releasing interval over 3 years
>  first time ever, and almost systems have revised after 3 years from
>  developed in my experience... so, almost codes which targets 1.8.7
>  preparing to revised; I think.
>
>  Well, Which version used when codes which targets 1.8.7 are revised,
>  I recommend 1.9.2 on my post, but almost can't use 1.9.x in
>  actuality. Like, Extension libraries doesn't work.
>  When can't use 1.9.x in codes, so it means use only 1.8.7. but it is
>  really tough, for making tasks with 1.8.7, and I think that when I
>  can give up maintaining 1.8.7? when my motivation is decreasing in
>  future, it won't increase again. So I want to use new version,
>  and don't use 1.8.7. New codes must target newer versions.
>
>  So, I want to set directions about 1.8.x future. I'm considing that
>  destroy ruby_1_8 branch and we won't release 1.8.8 for a one of
>  ideas. If we won't release 1.8.8, it means that can publish
>  announcement about 1.8.7 is last version of 1.8 branch,then 1.8
>  goes to last maintainance release. ah, in simplicity developers
>  task is decreased; developers will be happy.
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>  P.S.: I hope that people in a posision like Endoh Yusuke at 1.9.2.
>  Anyone?
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>  # http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/4207#note-6
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>  Well, Organize this issue without my factors, currently we have the following
>  issues of 1.8.8.
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>  * the time past 3 years from 1.9.0 released. In last 3 years, We released
>   1.9.2 smoothly at 1.9 branch. Thanks Yugui (Yuki Sonoda).
>   Also many users are using 1.9.x at forms of RailsDevCon.
>   http://railsdevcon.jp/RailsDevCon2010report.pdf
>  * 1.8.8 (and 1.8.7?) is on migration step to 1.9, but if we continue
>   developing 1.8.8 at this rate and release 1.8.8 in 2020, do users which
>   haven't migrated to 1.9 exist?
>  * Currently does ruby_1_8 include any prompting structures to migrate
>   1.9.x more than 1.8.7 at all? Just not merged same patches as 1.9?
>  * "I want to release so I release. Any users didn't effect." is a one of
>   views, but it makes unhappy by recognition differences?
>
>  So.. Because 1.8 mustn't let be uncontrolled,
>   I propose the following ideas which possible:
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>  1. Not today but ASAP, release 1.8.8 as "better 1.8.7." Release goal is this
>    Summer.
>  2. Develop 1.8.8 until it's approached to ideal. Users can't be affect.
>    Release goal is 2020 Christmas.
>  3. We won't release 1.8.8 never. Drop.
>  4. Otherwise I haven't thought yet.
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>  I don't specify any idea for adoption.
>  Anyhow, I think that 1.8 mustn't keep current principle, so I asking "What do we do?"
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>  Well.. what do we do?
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