[#349422] Date.parse('17:26:33 Oct 31, 2009') returns invalid date — Jacob Gorban <jacob.gorban@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2009/11/01

[#349519] All Gems Down? — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>

I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems

17 messages 2009/11/03

[#349527] Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...>

I=E2=80=99m starting to dip my toes in non-Ruby coding (for performance rea=

13 messages 2009/11/03
[#349564] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2009/11/03

[#350186] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...> 2009/11/11

Ryan Davis:

[#350196] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/11/11

> — Shot, who’s off to play with RubyToC now. :)

[#350228] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...> 2009/11/11

Roger Pack:

[#349640] Odd : a = Hash.new(Hash.new) — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

irb(main):086:0> a = Hash.new(Hash.new)

13 messages 2009/11/04
[#349641] Re: Odd : a = Hash.new(Hash.new) — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...> 2009/11/04

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#349685] Create HTML files using RUBY — Krithika San <skrithikaa@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2009/11/04
[#349690] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/04

Krithika San wrote:

[#349691] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Krithika San <skrithikaa@...> 2009/11/04

Hi Marnen,

[#349692] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/04

Krithika San wrote:

[#349720] Executing one of several ruby objects — "dhf0820@..." <dhf0820@...>

I am trying to write a program that will load a series of DSLs (ruby

11 messages 2009/11/05

[#349849] RCR enumerable extra into core — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

I'm considering suggesting that the base functionality for the

25 messages 2009/11/08
[#349853] Re: RCR enumerable extra into core — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/08

Hi --

[#349996] Re: RCR enumerable extra into core — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/11/09

[#349888] Using Nokogiri — jzakiya <jzakiya@...>

I'm trying to scrape some data off websites using nokogiri

18 messages 2009/11/08

[#349926] FileString - request for comments — apeiros@...

Hi there

15 messages 2009/11/09
[#349931] Re: FileString - request for comments — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/09

On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:47 PM, apeiros@gmx.net wrote:

[#349987] Berkeley DB BDB Install on Windows — david <davidhooey@...>

I've been scripting in Ruby (and Rails) for about two years now, but

14 messages 2009/11/09

[#350007] Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newbie here:

45 messages 2009/11/09
[#350017] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350019] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Marnen,

[#350023] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350029] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Marnen,

[#350042] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350045] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Florian,

[#350047] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/11/09

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@dos32.com> wrote:

[#350048] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/10

Rick,

[#350053] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Florian Gilcher <flo@...> 2009/11/10

Hi,

[#350142] Calling a subprocess with specific arguments and capturing its output? — Dan Q <quinxex@...>

Hi. I haven't written Ruby in a while, and I was wondering if someone

9 messages 2009/11/10

[#350147] Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rick Barrett <chngth3wrld@...>

I have a homework assignment where I have to convert an inputted integer

22 messages 2009/11/10
[#350150] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Rick Barrett wrote:

[#350152] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Gennady Bystritsky <Gennady.Bystritsky@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Rob Biedenharn wrote:

[#350156] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Gennady Bystritsky wrote:

[#350159] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Gennady Bystritsky <Gennady.Bystritsky@...> 2009/11/11

[#350290] DRYing a Regex — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

I've got a routine that works fine at building an array of upper-case

42 messages 2009/11/12
[#350311] Re: DRYing a Regex — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2009/11/13

On Nov 12, 6:50=A0pm, James Edward Gray II <ja...@graysoftinc.com>

[#350367] Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

RichardOnRails wrote:

[#350368] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/14

On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350369] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#350415] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/14

Hi --

[#350426] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

David A. Black wrote:

[#350359] Trajectories — Thijs Leeflang <t_leeflang@...>

hello,

60 messages 2009/11/13
[#350444] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

Thijs Leeflang wrote:

[#350446] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 14 Nov 2009, at 23:40, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350447] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350449] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 15 Nov 2009, at 00:42, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350451] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350509] Re: Trajectories — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/11/15

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wr=

[#350523] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#350524] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 15 Nov 2009, at 23:02, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350529] Re: Trajectories — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/11/16

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eleanor McHugh

[#350532] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/16

On 16 Nov 2009, at 01:12, Todd Benson wrote:

[#350538] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350577] Re: Trajectories — Paul Smith <paul@...> 2009/11/16

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wr=

[#350593] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Paul Smith wrote:

[#350600] Re: Trajectories — Paul Smith <paul@...> 2009/11/16

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350602] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Paul Smith wrote:

[#350628] Re: Trajectories — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/11/17

On 11/16/09, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350629] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/17

Caleb Clausen wrote:

[#350645] Re: Trajectories — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/11/17

On 11/16/09, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350454] How do I get a random number between two random numbers? — Alex Untitled <somebodydc691n@...>

I want to create a program that asks you to guess a number between two

12 messages 2009/11/15

[#350476] Traversing the contents of a proc (for a DSL) — Siemen Baader <siemenbaader@...>

Hi List,

11 messages 2009/11/15

[#350485] Using activerecord with mysql — Rob Mauchel <rmauchel@...>

Hi All,

13 messages 2009/11/15

[#350526] Newbie question: Defining a numeric type — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

I have a type which has a bit of internal magic, but fundamentally, I want

32 messages 2009/11/16

[#350535] Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class methods"? — Hunt Jon <jona.hunt777@...>

We all know Ruby really doesn't have class methods.

20 messages 2009/11/16
[#350539] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Hunt Jon wrote:

[#350682] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/17
[#350689] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/17

David A. Black wrote:

[#350698] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/17

[#350590] Google Wave: A new type of "Ruby Quiz" ? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

Google Wave is, according to Google, "the new email". It combines email,

21 messages 2009/11/16

[#350594] something went wrong — Dev Tri <divyanshutri@...>

16 messages 2009/11/16

[#350669] What is the difference between the two following pieces of c — Doney Kaka <doneysr@...>

Don't really know where to go with this one, but I gotta know...

10 messages 2009/11/17

[#350679] Class inside a Method Body — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

I have a class that works fine if I declare it outside of anything. If

15 messages 2009/11/17

[#350705] Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2009/11/17
[#350709] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/17

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:24 AM, John Mcleod wrote:

[#350710] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...> 2009/11/17

James,

[#350712] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/17

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:38 AM, John Mcleod wrote:

[#350719] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...> 2009/11/17

I'm not sure if the placement is correct but I'm still getting "Error

[#350810] Exact (LISP-ish) calculations in Ruby? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

Has anyone written a gem for exact calculations? The kind one would find

25 messages 2009/11/18

[#350829] Ruby/tk Help Please — Sean Ob <sob4ever33@...>

I am a complete beginner when it comes to programming and i need some

20 messages 2009/11/18
[#350830] Re: Ruby/tk Help Please — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/18

Sean Ob wrote:

[#350924] How to strip ruby comments in a ruby line of code? — Alexandre Mutel <alexandre_mutel@...>

Short description : My question is : do you know any available method,

17 messages 2009/11/19

[#350969] Re-opening an existing module and changing a method — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

"I hear and I forget; I see and I remember; I do and I understand."

11 messages 2009/11/19

[#351010] RubyForge gem index is no more — Tom Copeland <tom@...>

Hello -

14 messages 2009/11/20

[#351084] Distinct Sets (#225) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

21 messages 2009/11/21
[#351111] Re: [QUIZ] Distinct Sets (#225) — brabuhr@... 2009/11/21

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Daniel Moore <yahivin@gmail.com> wrote:

[#351170] Re: [QUIZ] Distinct Sets (#225) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/22

[#351171] Re: Distinct Sets (#225) — lith <minilith@...> 2009/11/22

> http://gist.github.com/240457

[#351279] Re: Distinct Sets (#225) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/23

On Nov 22, 2009, at 1:51 AM, lith wrote:

[#351137] Order of evaluation and precedence — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

In _The Ruby Programming Language_, it is asserted that order of evaluation

11 messages 2009/11/21

[#351245] More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newbie here:

15 messages 2009/11/23
[#351266] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/23

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#351267] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/11/23

Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351271] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/23

BC> Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351297] ideas for a "parameter sweep" program? — Diego Virasoro <diego.virasoro@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2009/11/23

[#351328] Warning: instance variable @foo not initialized — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

Running some simple tests with Prawn, I am getting thousands of lines

13 messages 2009/11/24

[#351367] Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Pieter Hugo <pieter@...>

Hi

14 messages 2009/11/24
[#351373] Re: Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Tom Stuart <tom@...> 2009/11/24

2009/11/24 Pieter Hugo <pieter@internext.co.za>:

[#351377] Re: Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Pieter Hugo <pieter@...> 2009/11/24

Hi Guys

[#351426] Ruby internals & other questions — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Is there a document or website that describes how Ruby works?

17 messages 2009/11/25

[#351448] Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Nick Dr <nickhannum@...>

Ive been messing around with Ruby for a few weeks now, and I'm fairly

28 messages 2009/11/25
[#351452] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 01:12:19 pm Nick Dr wrote:

[#351453] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/25

David Masover wrote:

[#351455] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 02:38:32 pm Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351456] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Judson Lester <nyarly@...> 2009/11/25

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#351461] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 03:00:49 pm Judson Lester wrote:

[#351508] Ruby byte access to disk sectors like dd does — Gary Hasson <gary@...>

I have been unable to find any reference to Ruby methods that provide

16 messages 2009/11/26

[#351548] Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newb here coming from C++

31 messages 2009/11/27
[#351570] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Steve Wilhelm <steve@...831.com> 2009/11/28

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#351579] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/28

Hi --

[#351586] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/28

DAB> And of course this is one of the (many) problems with class variables:

[#351572] Local variables can't be accessed from outside, right? — Michael Winterstein <parzival@...>

Hi, I've been trying to figure out metaprogramming and I've mostly got

9 messages 2009/11/28

[#351637] Best way to distribute an app — Omar Campos <hypermeister@...>

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2009/11/29
[#351682] Re: Best way to distribute an app — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/29

On Saturday 28 November 2009 09:03:12 pm Omar Campos wrote:

[#351655] ruby language parser in ruby — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

I'm looking for a ruby language parser written in ruby, that I can hack

27 messages 2009/11/29

[#351753] have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Po <magicc0d3r@...>

Hi Friends.

20 messages 2009/11/30
[#351756] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/11/30

[#351788] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/01

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351796] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Po <magicc0d3r@...> 2009/12/01

thank you friends.

[#351798] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Iran <magicc0d3r@...> 2009/12/01

I want create a program like this.

[#351833] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/12/01

Sajjad Po wrote:

[#351835] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/01

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351840] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/12/01

For something small such as testing lets say a million keys, the

[#351842] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/02

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351755] Problem trying to get a constant with correct scope — Alexandre Mutel <alexandre_mutel@...>

I'm trying to get a constant inside a class (but i have to do it outside

11 messages 2009/11/30

Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++

From: Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...>
Date: 2009-11-28 14:46:26 UTC
List: ruby-talk #351595
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@dos32.com> wrote:
> DAB> And of course this is one of the (many) problems with class variable=
s:
> DAB> they make obscure the otherwise rather simple notion that classes ca=
n
> DAB> have instance variables because classes are objects and any object c=
an
> DAB> have instance variables.
>
> David ... this may be the higher-level gestalt that I was missing. =A0It
> sure sounds like it.
>
> Let me flesh out my questions/comments about this paragraph so that you a=
nd
> others have something specific to answer. =A0Let's call the classed =A0F =
&
> G.
>
> (1) OK, classes are (i) objects; (ii) are executable code.


I wouldn't say that classes are executable code.  However the
difference between Ruby and C++ here is that in C++ a class is really
just a C Struct definition with new features like virtual member
functions and inheritance.  It's a static compile time construct.

In Ruby on the other hand, classes are defined at run time as code is
executed, and the stuff inside a class definition is executable code.

Another related difference is that in C++ the class describes which
instance variables are present in every instance of that class by
virtue of the instance variables (members) being statically declared.

In Ruby an object gets instance variables one by one only when it
executes a method which sets the instance variable.  Since classes are
objects this applies to classes as well.

A primary purpose of a class is to collect method implementations
which will be part of the repertoire of instances of that class.

So for example

class A
       # At this point the class has no class instance variables
      @class_instance_variable1 =3D 42 # This statement is executed when
the class def is, so
                                                      # after this A
has a class instance variable

     # The following defines a method which will be in the repertoire
of instances of A or any
     # of its subclasses
      def some_method
           @instance_var =3D "Hello"
      end

      # The self. makes the following a method of the class A.  We
call this a class method
      # it will also be in the repertoire of any class objects which
subclass A (but not their instances)
      def self.a_class_method
           @class_instance_variable2 =3D [1, 2, 3]
      end
end

a =3D A.new
# At this point of execution:
#
#  The class A has ONE class instance variable @class_instance_variable1
#
#  a, which is an instance of A, has NO instance variables

a.some_method

# And now a has an instance variable named @instance_var

A.a_class_method
# And now A has another class instance variable @class_instance_variable2



> (2) If I do the following
> =A0 =A0 =A0class F
> =A0 =A0 =A0end
> =A0 =A0 =A0f =3D F.new
> =A0 =A0 =A0F.class =A0# class
> =A0 =A0 =A0f.class =A0# F
> this makes sense to me.
>
> What (relevant and important conceptually) messages (other than "new")
> can I send to a class? =A0But see (3), below.

Well like any object the answer to that depends on the class.  All
classes are instances of Class, which defines three methods, only two
of which are normally called by user code.

Class#allocate which actually allocates the storage for a new
instance, this is rarely if ever overriden or called directly
Class#new which calls allocate to get a new instance and then calls
intialialize on the new instance passing any arguments along.  This is
called often but rarely overridden.
Class#superclass which returns the superclass of the class, again
called but almost never overridden.

In addition Class is a subclass of Module, and inherits from module
the ability to collect methods and to serve as a nested namespace.  So
every class object has the instance methods defined in Module as part
of its repertoire, I'll leave you to look these up.

And of course the instance methods defined in Object and the module
Kernel (which is included by Object) are part of the repertoire of
very Object and therefore every object which happens to be a class.

Some Ruby standard library classes like Array, Dir, File and others
define additional class methods specific to the class and its
subclasses.


> (3)
> =A0 =A0class F
> =A0 =A0 =A0def sub1
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0@@x =3D 1
> =A0 =A0 =A0end
> =A0 =A0end
>
> =A0 =A0class G
> =A0 =A0 =A0self.sub1
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0@@x=3D2
> =A0 =A0 =A0end
> =A0 =A0end
>
> =A0 =A0# Why? =A0Didn't the interpreter "see" @@x in class F?
> =A0 =A0F.class_variables =A0# []

See my explanation above.  In this regard class variables like
instance variables

F doesn't have any class variables because the sub1 method hasn't been exec=
uted.

G does because you execute sub1 inside its class definition code.  I
assume that you actually defined G as a subclass of F or you would
have gotten an undefined sub1 method error.

And you have invalid syntax in that snippet because there's an extra end

class G
    self.sub1
    @@x =3D 2
end   # this ends the class def which consists of two
end

> =A0 =A0# makes sense
> =A0 =A0G.class_variables =A0# ["@@x"]
>
> =A0 =A0f =3D F.new
>
> =A0 =A0# Why? =A0Shouldn't the method inherit from the class?
> =A0 =A0f.class_variables =A0# undefined method

Because f is an instance of F, and is not a class, class_variables is
a method defined in Module, not Object or kernel
>
> =A0 =A0f.sub1 =A0# 1
>
> =A0 =A0# makes sense. =A0class variable now explicitly executed
> =A0 =A0F.class_variables # ["@@x"]
>
> =A0 =A0# How to use class_variable_get if the method is private???
> =A0 =A0F.class_variable_get(:@@x) =A0# error private method!

F.send(:class_variable_get, :@@x)


As others have pointed out class variables are a pretty wonky area of
Ruby.  In Ruby 1.8 if G is a actually a subclass of F, then whether or
not @@x is the same instance variable for both depends in some cases
on whether or not F got its instance variable before G did or not.

When a class variable is initialized Ruby 1.8 looks through the chain
of superclasses to see if a class variable with that name already
exists, and if so uses that definition. If not it defines it for the
current class.  Ruby 1.9 changed that so that now class variables are
no longer shared with subclasses.


Now it may seem hard or harsh, but I'd recommend that you try to
forget what you know about C++ when learning Ruby.

Although C++ and Ruby are both said to be object-oriented, they come
from two very different views of what that means.  C++ is the epitome
of what Ralph Johnson calls the "Software Engineering" school, where
objects are seen as an extension of abstract data types.  Ruby is of
what he calls the "Mystical" school where objects are seen as entities
which encapsulate both the data representation and the methods which
operate on the data, and which interact with other objects only by
message invocation of methods, looked up by name at runtime. Java is
influenced by the SE school, but is more dynamic in other regards.
Other mystical languages include Smalltalk, Self, and JavaScript
although JavaScript is not fundamentally OO.

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