[#349422] Date.parse('17:26:33 Oct 31, 2009') returns invalid date — Jacob Gorban <jacob.gorban@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2009/11/01

[#349519] All Gems Down? — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>

I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems

17 messages 2009/11/03

[#349527] Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...>

I=E2=80=99m starting to dip my toes in non-Ruby coding (for performance rea=

13 messages 2009/11/03
[#349564] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2009/11/03

[#350186] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...> 2009/11/11

Ryan Davis:

[#350196] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/11/11

> — Shot, who’s off to play with RubyToC now. :)

[#350228] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...> 2009/11/11

Roger Pack:

[#349640] Odd : a = Hash.new(Hash.new) — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

irb(main):086:0> a = Hash.new(Hash.new)

13 messages 2009/11/04
[#349641] Re: Odd : a = Hash.new(Hash.new) — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...> 2009/11/04

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#349685] Create HTML files using RUBY — Krithika San <skrithikaa@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2009/11/04
[#349690] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/04

Krithika San wrote:

[#349691] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Krithika San <skrithikaa@...> 2009/11/04

Hi Marnen,

[#349692] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/04

Krithika San wrote:

[#349720] Executing one of several ruby objects — "dhf0820@..." <dhf0820@...>

I am trying to write a program that will load a series of DSLs (ruby

11 messages 2009/11/05

[#349849] RCR enumerable extra into core — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

I'm considering suggesting that the base functionality for the

25 messages 2009/11/08
[#349853] Re: RCR enumerable extra into core — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/08

Hi --

[#349996] Re: RCR enumerable extra into core — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/11/09

[#349888] Using Nokogiri — jzakiya <jzakiya@...>

I'm trying to scrape some data off websites using nokogiri

18 messages 2009/11/08

[#349926] FileString - request for comments — apeiros@...

Hi there

15 messages 2009/11/09
[#349931] Re: FileString - request for comments — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/09

On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:47 PM, apeiros@gmx.net wrote:

[#349987] Berkeley DB BDB Install on Windows — david <davidhooey@...>

I've been scripting in Ruby (and Rails) for about two years now, but

14 messages 2009/11/09

[#350007] Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newbie here:

45 messages 2009/11/09
[#350017] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350019] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Marnen,

[#350023] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350029] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Marnen,

[#350042] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350045] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Florian,

[#350047] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/11/09

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@dos32.com> wrote:

[#350048] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/10

Rick,

[#350053] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Florian Gilcher <flo@...> 2009/11/10

Hi,

[#350142] Calling a subprocess with specific arguments and capturing its output? — Dan Q <quinxex@...>

Hi. I haven't written Ruby in a while, and I was wondering if someone

9 messages 2009/11/10

[#350147] Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rick Barrett <chngth3wrld@...>

I have a homework assignment where I have to convert an inputted integer

22 messages 2009/11/10
[#350150] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Rick Barrett wrote:

[#350152] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Gennady Bystritsky <Gennady.Bystritsky@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Rob Biedenharn wrote:

[#350156] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Gennady Bystritsky wrote:

[#350159] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Gennady Bystritsky <Gennady.Bystritsky@...> 2009/11/11

[#350290] DRYing a Regex — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

I've got a routine that works fine at building an array of upper-case

42 messages 2009/11/12
[#350311] Re: DRYing a Regex — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2009/11/13

On Nov 12, 6:50=A0pm, James Edward Gray II <ja...@graysoftinc.com>

[#350367] Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

RichardOnRails wrote:

[#350368] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/14

On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350369] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#350415] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/14

Hi --

[#350426] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

David A. Black wrote:

[#350359] Trajectories — Thijs Leeflang <t_leeflang@...>

hello,

60 messages 2009/11/13
[#350444] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

Thijs Leeflang wrote:

[#350446] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 14 Nov 2009, at 23:40, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350447] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350449] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 15 Nov 2009, at 00:42, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350451] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350509] Re: Trajectories — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/11/15

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wr=

[#350523] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#350524] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 15 Nov 2009, at 23:02, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350529] Re: Trajectories — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/11/16

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eleanor McHugh

[#350532] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/16

On 16 Nov 2009, at 01:12, Todd Benson wrote:

[#350538] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350577] Re: Trajectories — Paul Smith <paul@...> 2009/11/16

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wr=

[#350593] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Paul Smith wrote:

[#350600] Re: Trajectories — Paul Smith <paul@...> 2009/11/16

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350602] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Paul Smith wrote:

[#350628] Re: Trajectories — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/11/17

On 11/16/09, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350629] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/17

Caleb Clausen wrote:

[#350645] Re: Trajectories — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/11/17

On 11/16/09, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350454] How do I get a random number between two random numbers? — Alex Untitled <somebodydc691n@...>

I want to create a program that asks you to guess a number between two

12 messages 2009/11/15

[#350476] Traversing the contents of a proc (for a DSL) — Siemen Baader <siemenbaader@...>

Hi List,

11 messages 2009/11/15

[#350485] Using activerecord with mysql — Rob Mauchel <rmauchel@...>

Hi All,

13 messages 2009/11/15

[#350526] Newbie question: Defining a numeric type — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

I have a type which has a bit of internal magic, but fundamentally, I want

32 messages 2009/11/16

[#350535] Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class methods"? — Hunt Jon <jona.hunt777@...>

We all know Ruby really doesn't have class methods.

20 messages 2009/11/16
[#350539] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Hunt Jon wrote:

[#350682] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/17
[#350689] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/17

David A. Black wrote:

[#350698] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/17

[#350590] Google Wave: A new type of "Ruby Quiz" ? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

Google Wave is, according to Google, "the new email". It combines email,

21 messages 2009/11/16

[#350594] something went wrong — Dev Tri <divyanshutri@...>

16 messages 2009/11/16

[#350669] What is the difference between the two following pieces of c — Doney Kaka <doneysr@...>

Don't really know where to go with this one, but I gotta know...

10 messages 2009/11/17

[#350679] Class inside a Method Body — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

I have a class that works fine if I declare it outside of anything. If

15 messages 2009/11/17

[#350705] Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2009/11/17
[#350709] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/17

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:24 AM, John Mcleod wrote:

[#350710] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...> 2009/11/17

James,

[#350712] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/17

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:38 AM, John Mcleod wrote:

[#350719] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...> 2009/11/17

I'm not sure if the placement is correct but I'm still getting "Error

[#350810] Exact (LISP-ish) calculations in Ruby? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

Has anyone written a gem for exact calculations? The kind one would find

25 messages 2009/11/18

[#350829] Ruby/tk Help Please — Sean Ob <sob4ever33@...>

I am a complete beginner when it comes to programming and i need some

20 messages 2009/11/18
[#350830] Re: Ruby/tk Help Please — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/18

Sean Ob wrote:

[#350924] How to strip ruby comments in a ruby line of code? — Alexandre Mutel <alexandre_mutel@...>

Short description : My question is : do you know any available method,

17 messages 2009/11/19

[#350969] Re-opening an existing module and changing a method — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

"I hear and I forget; I see and I remember; I do and I understand."

11 messages 2009/11/19

[#351010] RubyForge gem index is no more — Tom Copeland <tom@...>

Hello -

14 messages 2009/11/20

[#351084] Distinct Sets (#225) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

21 messages 2009/11/21
[#351111] Re: [QUIZ] Distinct Sets (#225) — brabuhr@... 2009/11/21

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Daniel Moore <yahivin@gmail.com> wrote:

[#351170] Re: [QUIZ] Distinct Sets (#225) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/22

[#351171] Re: Distinct Sets (#225) — lith <minilith@...> 2009/11/22

> http://gist.github.com/240457

[#351279] Re: Distinct Sets (#225) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/23

On Nov 22, 2009, at 1:51 AM, lith wrote:

[#351137] Order of evaluation and precedence — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

In _The Ruby Programming Language_, it is asserted that order of evaluation

11 messages 2009/11/21

[#351245] More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newbie here:

15 messages 2009/11/23
[#351266] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/23

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#351267] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/11/23

Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351271] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/23

BC> Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351297] ideas for a "parameter sweep" program? — Diego Virasoro <diego.virasoro@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2009/11/23

[#351328] Warning: instance variable @foo not initialized — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

Running some simple tests with Prawn, I am getting thousands of lines

13 messages 2009/11/24

[#351367] Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Pieter Hugo <pieter@...>

Hi

14 messages 2009/11/24
[#351373] Re: Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Tom Stuart <tom@...> 2009/11/24

2009/11/24 Pieter Hugo <pieter@internext.co.za>:

[#351377] Re: Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Pieter Hugo <pieter@...> 2009/11/24

Hi Guys

[#351426] Ruby internals & other questions — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Is there a document or website that describes how Ruby works?

17 messages 2009/11/25

[#351448] Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Nick Dr <nickhannum@...>

Ive been messing around with Ruby for a few weeks now, and I'm fairly

28 messages 2009/11/25
[#351452] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 01:12:19 pm Nick Dr wrote:

[#351453] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/25

David Masover wrote:

[#351455] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 02:38:32 pm Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351456] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Judson Lester <nyarly@...> 2009/11/25

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#351461] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 03:00:49 pm Judson Lester wrote:

[#351508] Ruby byte access to disk sectors like dd does — Gary Hasson <gary@...>

I have been unable to find any reference to Ruby methods that provide

16 messages 2009/11/26

[#351548] Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newb here coming from C++

31 messages 2009/11/27
[#351570] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Steve Wilhelm <steve@...831.com> 2009/11/28

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#351579] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/28

Hi --

[#351586] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/28

DAB> And of course this is one of the (many) problems with class variables:

[#351572] Local variables can't be accessed from outside, right? — Michael Winterstein <parzival@...>

Hi, I've been trying to figure out metaprogramming and I've mostly got

9 messages 2009/11/28

[#351637] Best way to distribute an app — Omar Campos <hypermeister@...>

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2009/11/29
[#351682] Re: Best way to distribute an app — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/29

On Saturday 28 November 2009 09:03:12 pm Omar Campos wrote:

[#351655] ruby language parser in ruby — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

I'm looking for a ruby language parser written in ruby, that I can hack

27 messages 2009/11/29

[#351753] have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Po <magicc0d3r@...>

Hi Friends.

20 messages 2009/11/30
[#351756] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/11/30

[#351788] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/01

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351796] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Po <magicc0d3r@...> 2009/12/01

thank you friends.

[#351798] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Iran <magicc0d3r@...> 2009/12/01

I want create a program like this.

[#351833] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/12/01

Sajjad Po wrote:

[#351835] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/01

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351840] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/12/01

For something small such as testing lets say a million keys, the

[#351842] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/02

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351755] Problem trying to get a constant with correct scope — Alexandre Mutel <alexandre_mutel@...>

I'm trying to get a constant inside a class (but i have to do it outside

11 messages 2009/11/30

Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me

From: Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...>
Date: 2009-11-17 15:15:34 UTC
List: ruby-talk #350700
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:30 AM, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:

> Actually, I think it was Jim Weirich who pointed out that, given the
> usual sense of the term "metaclass" as a class which produces other
> classes, Class itself is the only metaclass in Ruby. The term is
> sometimes used to refer to singleton classes in general, and sometimes
> to refer only to singleton classes of Class objects:

I usually don't disagree with my younger friend Jim, but...

In general, although in some languages the implementation of
metaclasses is involved with creating other classes, the more general
meaning is that a metaclass is a class whose instance(s) are classes.
Granted Ruby is a bit sneaky in this regard since the class METHOD
sometimes hides the klass linkage, but if you look at ruby
documentation such as
http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.8.7/classes/Class.html  you'll see that
it talks about multiple metaclasses, and although it point's out that
the vertical lines in the diagram represent inheritance, it leaves the
description of the horizontal lines, which link Object to (Object),
OtherClass to (OtherClass) etc.  These are of course the klass
pointers, and despite the smoke thrown by the class method which skips
over 'virtual/singleton' classes,

It might be of interest to note that early Smalltalk versions had only
one metaclass and it was Class, but this was limiting because it meant
that all classes had to have the same message protocol, since the
metaclass is where the method dictionary used to find methods for a
class lives, much as the String class is where the method dictionary
used to find methods for instances of strings is stored (of course I'm
simplifying a bit here, these are really where the first method
dictionary consulted is found before looking for inherited methods).

So, in Smalltalk at least, the first step in making Metaclasses more
'First class' was to allow each class to have its own metaclass,

And in Smalltalk metaclasses don't create other classes, much as in
Ruby, when a class is created, by sending it the subclass:... method,
a metaclass for the new class is created automatically, so it's the
other way around really.

The real role of a metaclass is to serve as the class of its sole
class instance, much like (singleton) classes serve as the class of
their instance or instances.


Now Smalltalk-80 makes Metaclasses more apparent, and factors things
by Having a class Hierarchy like this

Object
    Behavior - provides the minimal state necessary for objects that
have instances.
                   It is really the interface with the VM.  For
Smalltalk this is where the
                   instance variables for the method dictionary, the
superclass link,
                   and the form of instances (Smalltalk instances can
contain either
                   a sequence of either object pointers, bits, bytes or words,
                   and this sequence may be fixed or variable in length.
    ClassDescription - this is the interface to the IDE and the compiler,
                   it provides instance variables for naming the 'Class',
                   naming  the instance variables, and for a comment
shown in the browser
        Class - adds support for things like class variable names,
                   and shared pool dictionaries which provide for something
                   like Module scoped names in Ruby
       Metaclass - primarily this adds the behavior needed to create a new
                   Metaclass, initialize it and link it into the
parallel inheritance hierarchy.

Now Ruby doesn't have an equivalent for ClassDescription, and might
not have a class named Metaclass, but if you account for that, the
inheritance/instance-of diagram in the official document of Class
looks very much like the same diagram for Smalltalk with the
appropriate removals.

The real difference is that Ruby makes an attempt to hide the "Man
behind the curtains." and Smalltalk makes the "wizard" visible, and
refactors him into multiple bits.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

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