[#15348] Expanding arrays in method calls - why the restriction? — mathew <meta@...>
I can do
[#15359] Timeout::Error — Jeremy Thurgood <jerith@...>
Good day,
On Feb 5, 2008, at 06:20 AM, Jeremy Thurgood wrote:
Eric Hodel wrote:
Hi,
Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:
Hi,
Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:
Hi,
Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:
Joel VanderWerf wrote:
Jeremy Thurgood wrote:
Joel VanderWerf wrote:
Jeremy Thurgood wrote:
Hi,
Jeremy Thurgood wrote:
Jim Hranicky wrote:
Jeremy Thurgood wrote:
Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:37:57 +0900, Kurt Stephens <ks@kurtstephens.com> wrote:
[#15360] reopen: can't change access mode from "w+" to "w"? — Sam Ruby <rubys@...>
I ran 'rake test' on test/spec [1], using
Hi,
In article <20080206043831.7F10DE067F@mail.bc9.jp>,
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
In article <47AAE922.5020804@intertwingly.net>,
[#15375] weird behavior of belongs_to referencing a model with set_table_name : a bug? — "Yuri Leikind" <yuri.leikind@...>
Hello all,
[#15381] gem versioning patch doesn't seem to have been applied to HEAD — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
A while back, I believe that Rich Kilmer created a patch to gems in
[#15383] Have the rules for source file encoding changed? — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
Does the -E command line option no longer set source file encoding?
Ni,
[#15389] STDIN encoding differs from default source file encoding — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
This seems strange:
Dave Thomas wrote:
NARUSE, Yui wrote:
Hi,
Hi,
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Hi,
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[#15399] Non-blocking SSL handshake — "Tony Arcieri" <tony@...>
Hello. I'm attempting to use SSL within my Fiber-based Actor framework (
[#15400] string[0..-1] no longer uses copy on write — Daniel DeLorme <dan-ml@...42.com>
As the subject states, in 1.8 string[0..-1] used copy on write but in
[#15429] rdoc/irb incompatibilities? — "Chad Woolley" <thewoolleyman@...>
Hello,
On Feb 8, 2008, at 03:50 AM, Chad Woolley wrote:
[#15445] IRHG -- Dumping T-Nodes — Charles Thornton <ceo@...>
OK - Here is the problem
[#15464] Possibly a timeout related problem — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
Setting up a sleep seems to interfere with signal handlers. The
[#15465] Synced IO seems not to be thread-safe — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
Take the following code:
[#15475] where's a complete list of assignment shortcuts? += &= %= etc. — Phlip <phlip2005@...>
Ruby Core:
[#15481] very bad character performance on ruby1.9 — "Eric Mahurin" <eric.mahurin@...>
I'd like to bring up the issue of how characters are represented in
Hi,
On Feb 11, 2008 11:51 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
[#15496] Build failures - Revision 15428 — Sam Ruby <rubys@...>
This change caused many build failures for me.
[#15528] Test::Unit maintainer — Kouhei Sutou <kou@...>
Hi Nathaniel, Ryan,
<snip>
Hi Ryan,
Kouhei Sutou wrote:
[#15534] An Masgn of 1 — "Yehuda Katz" <wycats@...>
There's a weird case in Ruby that produces an masgn of a single argument,
[#15539] IRHG - Slow Child Working? — Charles Thornton <ceo@...>
For the life of me ,
[#15551] Proc#curry — ts <decoux@...>
ts wrote:
Hi,
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#15585] Ruby M17N meeting summary — Martin Duerst <duerst@...>
This is a rough translation of the Japanese meeting summary
On Feb 18, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Martin Duerst wrote:
Martin Duerst wrote:
On 19/02/2008, Gonzalo Garramu単o <ggarra@advancedsl.com.ar> wrote:
[#15589] Different stacktraces in 1.8 and 1.9 — "Vladimir Sizikov" <vsizikov@...>
Hi,
[#15596] possible bug in regexp lexing — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>
current:
In article <96106826-DFF4-4BFC-9938-3CB54F28F9F1@zenspider.com>,
In article <87wsp177pg.fsf@fsij.org>,
Hi,
In article <20080220125943.78CB3E0297@mail.bc9.jp>,
[#15610] — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Hi --
[#15630] embedding ruby | marking and sweeping wrapped structs — Matthew Metnetsky <met@...>
All,
[#15637] Options for String#encode — Martin Duerst <duerst@...>
I just commited a very first implementation of using a hash for
[#15656] defining a method with attached data — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
For various reasons, I need to be able to attached some piece of data to
Attached is a patch to add this feature directly into YARV without a
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:54:13AM +0900, Paul Brannan wrote:
[#15667] Gems running aground on multibyte char — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Hi --
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Hi,
On Feb 27, 2008, at 18:27 PM, Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:
[#15672] File.flock in ruby 1.9.0 — llin <cheempz@...>
Hello,
>>>>> "l" == llin <cheempz@gmail.com> writes:
[#15675] Ruby does not support mkfifo — Hongli Lai <hongli@...99.net>
Today I needed to call mkfifo() and found out that Ruby does not support
[#15678] Re: [ANN] MacRuby — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...>
On 2/27/08, Laurent Sansonetti <laurent.sansonetti@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Non-local exits via throw/rescue: Re: Timeout::Error
MenTaLguY wrote: > On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:37:57 +0900, Kurt Stephens <ks@kurtstephens.com> wrote: >> We use Timeout frequently for computations that we explicitly want to >> stop after a specific amount of time; we have hard timing constraints. >> If we can't compute it in time, we need to decide on a different course >> of action. > > How hard are your timing constraints? Remember that the delivery > of Thread#kill is not necessarily instantaneous, depending on how other > threads are scheduled. Would it be feasible to check a flag or an > elapsed time during the computation itself? > I need to return /something/ to a caller within a fixed time frame or else, let's just say, I lose an opportunity and money. I have no guarantees that my computation will complete in that time frame, because, just like my caller, I'm dealing with unreliable services outside of my control. I'm able cut my losses by doing some recovery on the terminated computation, and even live with cases where Thread#kill is not instantaneous, reliable nor correct, as long as it is a small fraction. >> The only thing that is "exceptional" about Timeout errors is the >> delivery mechanism. > > It's the delivery mechanism that's the basic problem; in a language > with side-effects (like Ruby), it is seldom possible to write code that > is entirely robust against asynchronous exceptions, and worse, most of > Ruby stdlib is not robust against them, so you must avoid any stdlib > code except simple blocking calls. The use of throw/rescue is a reasonable mechanism for dealing with intentional, dynamically-scoped, non-local exits, like Timeout or Kernel#exit, in a thread-aware language. I'd love to see a better solution, given that continuations seem to be deprecated. Can throw/rescue be changed to #=== to catch objects that are not Exceptions? Like: catch_tag = [ :some_unique_object ] begin throw catch_tag rescue catch_tag => data do_something data end That would be generic, typeless and kinda cool. :) I don't want rescues on exceptional errors to "eat" intentional non-local exits, just because there is a broken top-level rescue in irb or in libraries that cannot enumerate all the possible non-local exit exceptions classes and rethrow them correctly. Rcov, for example, didn't handle SystemExit correctly, so it was impossible for a program under rcov to exit() with a exit status. That's why there should be a different standard superclass for intentional non-local exits for Timeout::Error, Kernel#exit, etc. that is not commonly trapped for logging, etc. I'm not really sure if a throwable superclass for that purpose exists in Ruby 1.8 or 1.9 by convention, design or at all. > Given that, as long as none of the mutable objects modified by your > aborted computation persist past the timeout, you are okay, but that > is more difficult to achieve than you might naively expect. > Agreed, side-effects are the tricky part of any recovery from any non-local exit: don't make side-effects that are not recoverable if recovery is needed. It's not that hard. :) > -mental > http://kurtstephens.com/