[#12372] Release compatibility/train — Prashant Srinivasan <Prashant.Srinivasan@...>

Hello all,

28 messages 2007/10/03
[#12373] Re: Release compatibility/train — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/03

Hi,

[#12374] Re: Release compatibility/train — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/03

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#12376] Re: Release compatibility/train — Prashant Srinivasan <Prashant.Srinivasan@...> 2007/10/03

[#12377] Re: Release compatibility/train — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/03

Hi,

[#12382] Re: Release compatibility/train — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/10/03

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#12385] Re: Release compatibility/train — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/03

Hi,

[#12388] Re: Release compatibility/train — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/10/03

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#12389] Re: Release compatibility/train — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/03

Hi,

[#12406] Re: Release compatibility/train — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/10/03

Hi --

[#12383] Include Rake in Ruby 1.9 — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...>

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20 messages 2007/10/03

[#12539] Ordered Hashes in 1.9? — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2007/10/08
[#12542] Re: Ordered Hashes in 1.9? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/08

Hi,

[#12681] Unicode: Progress? — murphy <murphy@...>

Hello!

17 messages 2007/10/15

[#12693] retry: revised 1.9 http patch — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...>

I'm reposting this because I've had little response to this version

11 messages 2007/10/15

[#12697] Range.first is incompatible with Enumerable.first — David Flanagan <david@...>

The new Enumerable.first method is a generalization of Array.first to

11 messages 2007/10/16

[#12754] Improving 'syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting kEND'? — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...>

I've had a look at this, but can't see how to do it: When I get

17 messages 2007/10/18
[#12886] Re: Improving 'syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting kEND'? — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/23

The patch below changes this message to:

[#12758] Encoding::primary_encoding — David Flanagan <david@...>

Hi,

25 messages 2007/10/18
[#12763] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/19

Hi,

[#12802] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Wolfgang N疆asi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/21

Nobuyoshi Nakada schrieb:

[#12803] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/21

Hi,

[#12804] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Wolfgang N疆asi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/21

Nobuyoshi Nakada schrieb:

[#12808] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/22

Hi,

[#12818] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Wolfgang N疆asi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/22

Nobuyoshi Nakada schrieb:

[#12820] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — "Michal Suchanek" <hramrach@...> 2007/10/22

T24gMjIvMTAvMjAwNywgV29sZmdhbmcgTsOhZGFzaS1Eb25uZXIgPGVkLm9kYW5vd0B3b25hZG8u

[#12823] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/22

Michal Suchanek schrieb:

[#12824] Re: Encoding::primary_encoding — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/22

Hi,

[#12767] \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...>

Back at the end of August, Matz wrote (see

45 messages 2007/10/19
[#12769] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — "Nobuyoshi Nakada" <nobu@...> 2007/10/19

Hi,

[#12782] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/20

Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#12831] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/22

Hi,

[#12841] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/22

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#12862] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Martin Duerst <duerst@...> 2007/10/23

At 04:19 07/10/23, David Flanagan wrote:

[#12864] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/23

Martin Duerst wrote:

[#12870] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Martin Duerst <duerst@...> 2007/10/23

At 13:10 07/10/23, David Flanagan wrote:

[#12872] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/23

Martin Duerst wrote:

[#12936] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/25

Hi,

[#12980] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/26

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#13028] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/29

Hi,

[#13032] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/10/29

Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#13034] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/29

Hi,

[#13082] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Martin Duerst <duerst@...> 2007/10/30

At 16:46 07/10/29, Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#13231] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/11/06

Hi,

[#13234] Re: \u escapes in string literals: proof of concept implementation — Martin Duerst <duerst@...> 2007/11/06

At 11:29 07/11/06, Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#12825] clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...>

Hi,

53 messages 2007/10/22
[#12830] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Ben Bleything <ben@...> 2007/10/22

On Mon, Oct 22, 2007, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

[#12833] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2007/10/22

On 23/10/07 at 00:13 +0900, Ben Bleything wrote:

[#12835] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/10/22

On 10/22/07, Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net> wrote:

[#12836] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2007/10/22

On 23/10/07 at 01:55 +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#12888] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...> 2007/10/23

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

[#12894] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2007/10/24

On 24/10/07 at 05:14 +0900, Gonzalo Garramu wrote:

[#13057] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...> 2007/10/29

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

[#13058] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2007/10/29

On 30/10/07 at 07:28 +0900, Gonzalo Garramu wrote:

[#12848] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2007/10/22

On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 01:55:29AM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#12855] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/10/23

On 10/22/07, Sam Roberts <sroberts@uniserve.com> wrote:

[#13016] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — bob@... (Bob Proulx) 2007/10/28

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#13029] Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/10/29

On 10/28/07, Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> wrote:

[#13054] Austin Ziegler's behaviour (Was: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?) — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...> 2007/10/29

Austin,

[#13055] Re: Austin Ziegler's behaviour (Was: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?) — "Luis Lavena" <luislavena@...> 2007/10/29

On 10/29/07, Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net> wrote:

[#13064] Re: Austin Ziegler's behaviour (Was: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?) — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/10/30

On 10/29/07, Luis Lavena <luislavena@gmail.com> wrote:

[#13066] Re: Austin Ziegler's behaviour (Was: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?) — "Luis Lavena" <luislavena@...> 2007/10/30

On 10/30/07, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

[#13094] Re: Austin Ziegler's behaviour (Was: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?) — "Rick Bradley" <rick@...> 2007/10/30

Do we think that maybe, just maybe, things went off the rails when the

[#13095] Re: Austin Ziegler's behaviour (Was: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?) — "Luis Lavena" <luislavena@...> 2007/10/30

On 10/30/07, Rick Bradley <rick@rickbradley.com> wrote:

[#12900] Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...>

Dear Ruby 1.9 architects, developers, and testers!

31 messages 2007/10/24
[#12905] Re: Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/24

Hi,

[#12907] Re: Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/24

Yukihiro Matsumoto schrieb:

[#12909] Re: Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/10/24

Hi,

[#12940] Re: Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/25
[#12942] Re: Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/10/25

I have a (hopefully) final question before testing all

[#12948] Re: Hopefully Complete List of Possible Encoding Specifications - Existing Ones — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/10/26

Hi,

[#12951] Fluent programming in Ruby — David Flanagan <david@...>

From the ChangeLog:

16 messages 2007/10/26

[#12996] General hash keys for colon notation — murphy <murphy@...>

Dear language designer(s) and parser wizards,

16 messages 2007/10/28

[#13027] Implementation of "guessUTF" method - final questions — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...>

Dear Ruby designers, developers, and testers!

22 messages 2007/10/29

[#13069] new Enumerable.butfirst method — David Flanagan <david@...>

Matz,

17 messages 2007/10/30

Re: clarification of ruby libraries installation paths?

From: "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...>
Date: 2007-10-22 17:24:06 UTC
List: ruby-core #12837
On 10/22/07, Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net> wrote:
> On 23/10/07 at 01:55 +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
>> On 10/22/07, Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net> wrote:
>>> On 23/10/07 at 00:13 +0900, Ben Bleything wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2007, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> It would be great if a standardized and sensible installation
>>>>> could be figured out for ruby1.9.
>>>> This is all *entirely* up to the packagers on those systems.
>>>> They're the ones who have chosen to configure Ruby to install
>>>> libraries in what I agree is a totally insane fashion.
>>>>
>>>> If you install Ruby from source on any of those platforms, you'll
>>>> see sane behavior.  It's the distro's problem, not Ruby's.
>>> So, if everybody is insane expect the ruby developers, why don't
>>> they recommend a sensible behaviour that distros could follow?
>> They have.
>>
>>   $PREFIX/bin
>>   $PREFIX/lib/ruby/$VERSION
>>   $PREFIX/lib/ruby/site_ruby/$VERSION
>>   $PREFIX/lib/ruby/gems/$VERSION
> And how do you avoid clashes between third-party libs installed via
> apt/yum and third-party libs installed manually?

Ruby doesn't care. Ruby shouldn't care. That's an issue for a distro to
worry about. (Personally? I *never* use a distro Ruby because most of
them don't know enough about Ruby to get it right.)

> Same with binaries: you have to install manually installed binaries
> (or binaries installed by gem) in /usr/local/bin:
>
> apt-get install rake ; gem install rake ; gem uninstall rake should
> restore apt's rake
>
> gem install rake ; apt-get install rake ; gem uninstall rake should
> keep apt's rake untouched

RubyGems will overwrite the apt rake if it's installed in the same place
that the Ruby libraries and binaries are installed (this was raised
earlier this week; I think it's a probable bug, but I don't care since I
never use a distro package, especially on Debian and derivatives). Apt
may or may not touch the gem rake.

Essentially, the *most* that Ruby and RubyGems should do is provide
extra options. It isn't there to solve the problems that distro
maintainers have made for themselves because they think that they know
better.

-austin
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