From: Martin Duerst <duerst@...>
Date: 2008-10-30T16:17:49+09:00
Subject: [ruby-core:19630] Re: Net::HTTP.post_form bug : can't post  form to correct uri which contains QueryString(QueryString part are  lost) and revise

Some datapoints:

RFC 2616 is currently under revision in the httpbis WG in the IETF.
The question of what is a resource has been brought up and assigned
a ticket/issue number (see
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/58).
The proposed text includes an optional query part.
Also, there is a ticket for updating the references to the newest
version of the URI spec
(http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/34).

Please note that there is a significant overlap between the
people working on the HTTP spec(s) and the people who worked
on the URI spec. Also, the URI spec is a (full) IETF Standard,
whereas the HTTP spec is still at Draft Standard, being
revised to hopefully become a full standard
(see http://www.rfc-editor.org/cgi-bin/rfcsearch.pl).

Hope this helps,     Martin.



At 01:16 08/10/26, mathew wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:17, Tim Bray <Tim.Bray@sun.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:55 AM, mathew wrote:
>>> The specification for URIs is RFC3986, and the specification for HTTP
>>> is RFC 2616.
>>>
>>> The previous version of the URI specification, RFC 2396, is clearer
>>> about this issue. It says:
>>
>> Quoting from the top of RFC3986: "Obsoletes: 2732, 2396, 1808 "
>
>Like I said, the previous version.
>
>> 3.4. Query
>>
>>   The query component contains non-hierarchical data that, along with
>>   data in the path component (Section 3.3), serves to identify a
>>   resource within the scope of the URI's scheme and naming authority
>>   (if any).  The query component is indicated by the first question
>>   mark ("?") character and terminated by a number sign ("#") character
>>   or by the end of the URI.
>
>Then RFC3986 contradicts RFC2616.
>
>RFC2616 section 3.2.2:
>
>   The "http" scheme is used to locate network resources via the HTTP
>   protocol. This section defines the scheme-specific syntax and
>   semantics for http URLs.
>
>   http_URL = "http:" "//" host [ ":" port ] [ abs_path [ "?" query ]]
>
>   If the port is empty or not given, port 80 is assumed. The semantics
>   are that the identified resource is located at the server listening
>   for TCP connections on that port of that host, and the Request-URI
>   for the resource is abs_path (section 5.1.2).
>
>i.e. the HTTP spec specifically says that the resource's URI does not
>include the query parameters.
>
>> For what it's worth, RFC3986 was one of the most heavily-discussed and
>> closely-examined specs in history.
>
>Apparently not examined closely enough.
>
>So, should Ruby obey the HTTP spec, or the URI spec?
>
>
>mathew


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