[#19075] Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — James Gray <james@...>

I'm disappointed that Ruby still supports this goofy syntax:

30 messages 2008/10/01
[#19076] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2008/10/01

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM, James Gray <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#19078] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — "Jim Freeze" <jimfreeze@...> 2008/10/01

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:

[#19080] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — James Gray <james@...> 2008/10/01

On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#19081] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — "Jim Freeze" <jimfreeze@...> 2008/10/01

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM, James Gray <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#19082] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — James Gray <james@...> 2008/10/01

On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#19083] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2008/10/01

On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:42 AM, James Gray wrote:

[#19084] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2008/10/01

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Eric Hodel <drbrain@segment7.net> wrote:

[#19087] Re: Request For Removal: No Operator Concatenation — "Jim Freeze" <jimfreeze@...> 2008/10/01

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:

[#19132] [Feature #615] "with" operator — Lavir the Whiolet <redmine@...>

Feature #615: "with" operator

33 messages 2008/10/05
[#19137] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/06

Hi,

[#19138] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/10/06

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 10:46:49AM +0900, Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#19141] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — _why <why@...> 2008/10/06

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 10:56:23PM +0900, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#19148] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — Trans <transfire@...> 2008/10/06

[#19149] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2008/10/06

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#19150] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/10/06

Hi --

[#19154] Re: [Feature #615] "with" operator — _why <why@...> 2008/10/07

On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 05:47:23AM +0900, David A. Black wrote:

[#19250] default_internal encoding — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

I'm documenting default_internal for the PickAxe, and have a couple of

26 messages 2008/10/09
[#19254] Re: default_internal encoding — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/09

Hi,

[#19255] Re: performance of C function calls in 1.8 vs 1.9 — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/10

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Paul Brannan <pbrannan / atdesk.com> wrote:

[#19289] [Bug #633] dl segfaults on x86_64-linux systems — Benjamin Floering <redmine@...>

Bug #633: dl segfaults on x86_64-linux systems

19 messages 2008/10/10

[#19315] [Feature #643] __DIR__ — Thomas Sawyer <redmine@...>

Feature #643: __DIR__

14 messages 2008/10/13

[#19342] [Bug #649] Memory leak in a array assignment? — Henri Suur-Inkeroinen <redmine@...>

Bug #649: Memory leak in a array assignment?

14 messages 2008/10/15

[#19350] Net::HTTP.post_form bug : can't post form to correct uri which contains QueryString(QueryString part are lost) and revise — Klesh <kleshwong@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2008/10/16
[#19352] Re: Net::HTTP.post_form bug : can't post form to correct uri which contains QueryString(QueryString part are lost) and revise — "Matt Todd" <chiology@...> 2008/10/16

You are trying to use GET-style query params instead of POSTing the

[#19378] Constant names in 1.9 — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

When Ruby makes the tIDENTIFIER/tCONSTANT test, it looks to see if the =20=

13 messages 2008/10/18

[#19397] [Feature #666] Enumerable::to_hash — Marc-Andre Lafortune <redmine@...>

Feature #666: Enumerable::to_hash

14 messages 2008/10/20
[#23249] [Feature #666](Rejected) Enumerable::to_hash — Yukihiro Matsumoto <redmine@...> 2009/04/18

Issue #666 has been updated by Yukihiro Matsumoto.

[#19422] Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

is there anything that

24 messages 2008/10/21
[#19423] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — Wolfgang N疆asi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2008/10/21

Dave Thomas schrieb:

[#19424] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2008/10/21

[#19427] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/10/21

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:01:45AM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#19429] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/10/21

Hi --

[#19430] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/10/21

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:38:19AM +0900, David A. Black wrote:

[#19431] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2008/10/21

Hi --

[#19432] Re: Now that lambda has more powerful arguments... — Jim Weirich <jim.weirich@...> 2008/10/21

On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:24 PM, David A. Black wrote:

[#19465] [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is too late when encoding is mismatch — Takeyuki Fujioka <redmine@...>

Bug #680: csv.rb: CSV.parse is too late when encoding is mismatch

41 messages 2008/10/24
[#19466] Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is too late when encoding is mismatch) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/24

Hi,

[#19471] Re: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch) — Martin Duerst <duerst@...> 2008/10/24

A default for the source encoding has been discussed quite a long

[#19473] Re: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/24

Hi,

[#19474] Re: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/10/24

Hi,

[#19515] String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/26

Hi,

[#19517] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/26

Hi,

[#19518] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/26

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:26:32 +1100, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#19522] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/26

Hi,

[#19525] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/26

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:34:26 +1100, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#19531] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/27

Hi,

[#19532] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/27

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:07:54 +1100, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#19533] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/27

Hi,

[#19535] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/27

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:27:57 +1100, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#19538] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/27

Hi,

[#19540] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/27

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:55:32 +1100, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@ruby-lang.org>

[#19546] Re: String literal encoding (Was: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch)) — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/27

Hi,

[#19480] Re: Default source encoding (Was: [Bug #680] csv.rb: CSV.parse is toolate when encoding is mismatch) — James Gray <james@...> 2008/10/24

On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:52 AM, Martin Duerst wrote:

[#19566] GC thought — "Roger Pack" <roger.pack@...>

Here is a recent patch I've been experimenting with--for any advice. [1]

26 messages 2008/10/28
[#19569] Re: GC thought — Ken Bloom <kbloom@...> 2008/10/28

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:02:17 +0900, Roger Pack wrote:

[#19575] Re: GC thought — "Roger Pack" <roger.pack@...> 2008/10/28

> Letting the program continue execution during the mark phase could cause

[#19577] Re: GC thought — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2008/10/28

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:04:52AM +0900, Roger Pack wrote:

[#19596] Re: GC thought — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/29

2008/10/28 Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com>:

[#19590] [Feature #695] More flexibility when combining ASCII-8BIT strings with other encodings — Michael Selig <redmine@...>

Feature #695: More flexibility when combining ASCII-8BIT strings with other encodings

13 messages 2008/10/29
[#19646] Re: [Feature #695] More flexibility when combining ASCII-8BIT strings with other encodings — "Michael Selig" <michael.selig@...> 2008/10/30

Hi,

[ruby-core:19103] Re: Encoding.default_internal

From: Martin Duerst <duerst@...>
Date: 2008-10-02 04:36:36 UTC
List: ruby-core #19103
At 07:59 08/10/02, Michael Selig wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:15:01 +1000, James Gray <james@grayproductions.net>  
>wrote:

>> To be honest, I doubt I would have made the effort if I had known this  
>> change was coming.  It was challenging and I'm a wimp.  ;)

>Someone had to be the trailblazer, James, even if it was only to find out  
>that it wasn't the best path :-)

Yes indeed. I think your experience helped Matz quite a bit
for his decision.

>But I agree with you: if a library can be confident that its inputs are at  
>least ASCII-comptible, quite a bit of your efforts could be saved.
>If on top of that, if it can be reasonably sure that all its inputs are  
>encoding compatible, then it's even better.

I think this is not about confidence. In the software world,
there is no confidence about input. It's much more about what
expectation a library sets and documents. I think there are
quite a few possibilities:

a) The library accepts and produces only UTF-8. Best used with -U.

b) The library accepts, in one run, a single arbitrary encoding,
   and returns the same encoding, if that encoding is ASCII-compatible.

c) Same as before, but extended for non-ASCII-compatible.
   (what James has done with the CVS library, as far I understand it)

d) The library accepts multiple encodings and handles all the
   conversions internally.

There are of course other cases, such as a library only accepting
some specific encoding different from UTF-8, for some special processing.

 From an overall Ruby standpoint, b) should be the 'default', but
in all cases, things should be clearly documented.

Regards,    Martin.



#-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
#-#-#  http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp       mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp     


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