[#53072] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7994][Open] Make iterators pass an implicit named parameter `iteration` to the executed block — "alexeymuranov (Alexey Muranov)" <redmine@...>

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[#53097] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8000][Open] "require 'tk'" segfaults on 64-bit linux with Tk 8.6 — "edmccard (Ed McCardell)" <edmccard@...>

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[#53137] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8017][Open] Got segmentation fault on attempt to install ruby 2.0.0-p0 on Mac 10.6.8 via RVM — "adantel (Alex Filatau)" <filatau@...>

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[#53168] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8034][Open] File.expand_path('something', '~') do not include home path — "rap-kasta (Pavel Manylov)" <rapkasta@...>

12 messages 2013/03/06

[#53199] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8040][Open] Unexpect behavior when using keyword arguments — "pabloh (Pablo Herrero)" <pablodherrero@...>

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[#53203] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8042][Open] Add Addrinfo#socket to create a socket that is not connected or bound — "drbrain (Eric Hodel)" <drbrain@...7.net>

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[#53248] Github commit log should not be used as references on redmine — Marc-Andre Lafortune <ruby-core-mailing-list@...>

Github commit log should not be used as references on redmine. E.g:

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[#53386] [CommonRuby - Feature #8088][Open] Method#parameters (and friends) should provide useful information about core methods — "headius (Charles Nutter)" <headius@...>

14 messages 2013/03/13

[#53412] [CommonRuby - Feature #8096][Open] introduce Time.current_timestamp — "vipulnsward (Vipul Amler)" <vipulnsward@...>

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[#53439] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8100][Open] Segfault in ruby-2.0.0p0 — "judofyr (Magnus Holm)" <judofyr@...>

22 messages 2013/03/15

[#53478] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8107][Open] [patch] runtime flag to track object allocation metadata — "tmm1 (Aman Gupta)" <ruby@...1.net>

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[#53498] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8110][Open] Regex methods not changing global variables — "prijutme4ty (Ilya Vorontsov)" <prijutme4ty@...>

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[#53502] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8115][Open] make install DESTDIR=/my/install/path fails — "vo.x (Vit Ondruch)" <v.ondruch@...>

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[#53688] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8158][Open] lightweight structure for loaded features index — "funny_falcon (Yura Sokolov)" <funny.falcon@...>

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[#53692] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8159][Open] Build failure introduced by Rinda changes — "luislavena (Luis Lavena)" <luislavena@...>

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[#53733] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8165][Open] Problems with require — "Krugloff (Alexandr Kruglov)" <mr.krugloff@...>

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[#53742] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8168][Open] Feature request: support for (single) statement lambda syntax/definition — "garysweaver (Gary Weaver)" <garysweaver@...>

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[#53765] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8174][Open] AIX header file conflict with rb_hook_list_struct — "edelsohn (David Edelsohn)" <dje.gcc@...>

11 messages 2013/03/27

[#53808] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8181][Open] New flag for strftime that supports adding ordinal suffixes to numbers — "tkellen (Tyler Kellen)" <tyler@...>

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[#53811] [ruby-trunk - Bug #8182][Open] XMLRPC request fails with "Wrong size. Was 31564, should be 1501" — "tsagadar (Marcel Mueller)" <marcel.mueller@...>

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[#53849] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8191][Open] Short-hand syntax for duck-typing — "wardrop (Tom Wardrop)" <tom@...>

48 messages 2013/03/31

[#53850] An evaluation of 2.0.0 release — Yusuke Endoh <mame@...>

Let's look back at 2.0.0 release so that we can do better next time.

12 messages 2013/03/31

[ruby-core:53849] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8191][Open] Short-hand syntax for duck-typing

From: "wardrop (Tom Wardrop)" <tom@...>
Date: 2013-03-31 04:13:05 UTC
List: ruby-core #53849
Issue #8191 has been reported by wardrop (Tom Wardrop).

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Feature #8191: Short-hand syntax for duck-typing
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8191

Author: wardrop (Tom Wardrop)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: 
Category: 
Target version: 


=begin
As a duck-typed language, Ruby doesn't provide any succinct way of safely calling a potentially non-existant method. I often find myself doing (({obj.respond_to? :empty ? obj.empty : nil})), or if I'm feeling lazy, (({obj.empty? rescue nil})). Surely we can provide a less repetitive way of achieving duck-typing, e.g. I don't care what object you are, but if you (the object) can't tell me whether you're empty, I'm going to assume some value, or do something else instead.

I'm not sure what the best way to implement this is. The easiest would be to just define a new conditional send method:

    obj.send_if(:empty?, *args) { nil }

    obj.try(:empty?, *args) { nil }

But that's really not much of an improvement; it's ugly. Preferably, it'd be nice to build it into the language given how fundamental duck-typing is to Ruby. One potential syntax is:

   obj.empty? otherwise nil

The ((|otherwise|)) keyword would be like a logical or, but instead of short-circuiting on true, it short-circuits on some other condition. That condition can be one of two things. It can either wait for a NoMethodError (like an implicit (({rescue NoMethodError}))), proceeding to the next expression if one is raised, or it can do a pre-test using (({respond_to?})). Each option has its pro's and con's.

The implicit rescue allows you to include expressions, e.g. 

    obj.empty? otherwise obj.length == 0 otherwise true

Going with the implicit (({respond_to?})) implementation probably wouldn't allow that. You'd instead need to limit it just to method calls, which is not as useful. The only problem with implicitly rescuing NoMethodError's though, is that you'd need to ensure the NoMethodError was raised within the target object, and not some dependancy, as you could potentially swallow valid exceptions.

The benefit of this over current methods of duck-typing, is that you're not testing a condition, then running an action, you're instead doing both at the same time making it much more DRY.

One other potential syntax however is a double question mark, or question mark prefix. This could act as an implicit (({respond_to?})) pre-condition, returning nil if the method doesn't exist.

    obj.empty??? || obj.length?? == 0 || nil

    obj.?empty? || obj.?length == 0 || nil

I'm not completely satisfied with either syntax, so at this point I'm merely hoping to start a discussion. 

Thoughts?
=end


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