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SASADA Koichi <ko1@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

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[#80532] Re: [ruby-cvs:65407] normal:r58236 (trunk): thread.c: comments on M:N threading [ci skip] — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...> 2017/04/02

On 2017/04/02 11:35, Eric Wong wrote:

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SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net> wrote:

[#81027] Re: [ruby-cvs:65407] normal:r58236 (trunk): thread.c: comments on M:N threading [ci skip] — Eric Wong <normalperson@...> 2017/05/08

Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> wrote:

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On 2017/05/08 9:33, Eric Wong wrote:

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On 2017/05/08 10:53, SASADA Koichi wrote:

[#81031] Re: [ruby-cvs:65407] normal:r58236 (trunk): thread.c: comments on M:N threading [ci skip] — Eric Wong <normalperson@...> 2017/05/08

SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net> wrote:

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On 2017/05/08 12:01, Eric Wong wrote:

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SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net> wrote:

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On 2017/05/08 15:36, Eric Wong wrote:

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SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net> wrote:

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On 2017/05/09 12:38, Eric Wong wrote:

[#81047] Re: [ruby-cvs:65407] normal:r58236 (trunk): thread.c: comments on M:N threading [ci skip] — Eric Wong <normalperson@...> 2017/05/09

SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net> wrote:

[ruby-core:80859] [Ruby trunk Feature#7688] Error hiding with rb_rescue() on Comparable#==, #coerce and others

From: eregontp@...
Date: 2017-04-25 11:47:42 UTC
List: ruby-core #80859
Issue #7688 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze).


All rb_rescue() hiding user exceptions and/or re-raising a generic errors (mentioned above) have now been removed.

Please do not introduce rb_rescue() call in MRI, hiding user exceptions is harmful.

This changes make it much easier to debug as for instance one gets the raised by the user code
(such a a NoMethodError because of a typo) instead of a generic "bad value for range" exception.

I updated NEWS, tests and ruby/spec accordingly.

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Feature #7688: Error hiding with rb_rescue() on Comparable#==, #coerce and others
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7688#change-64465

* Author: Eregon (Benoit Daloze)
* Status: Closed
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: Eregon (Benoit Daloze)
* Target version: 
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Hello,

I believe error hiding is harmful because very dangerous
(it forgets errors which is likely unexpected) and hard to debug.

But I guess the compatibility is the main reason to keep these cases.

In the cases of Comparable#== and #coerce, I believe it is not worth to be compatible with this dangerous behavior
as it will at worse help to discover bugs in #<=> and #coerce methods which would raise an exception.

I doubt anyone rely on this and the #coerce spec (see #7645) itself makes me think this is unexpected behavior.
It would also simplify the spec, and no specific #coerce behavior would be needed to be defined as it would behave as a simple method call without edge cases.

So I think rb_rescue() or rb_rescue2(..., GenericErrorClass, ...) should be avoided if possible.
I analyzed these in the code base and it is used in a couple places:
* compar.c in cmp_equal(): this is the main offender in this regard with #coerce
* numeric.c in rb_num_coerce_{cmp,relop}() which call do_coerce(,,FALSE): This is the current subject of #7645.

* io.c in io_close(): to avoid raising if #close fails, which is likely less problematic,
  although it would be nicer to rescue only IO-related errors and warn when an exception is raised.
* range.c in range_init(): this is to provide a clearer error. I think it would be nice to show the original error as well.

Removing the general rescue in cmp_equal() revealed a couple bugs in RDoc due to this problem. I guess there are many others in the wild.

Can we please remove this anti-pattern?
I believe impact is only positive and that it should be done as soon as possible.

What do you think?



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