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Issue #9894 has been reported by Eric Wong.
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2014/06/02
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[ruby-core:63074] [CommonRuby - Feature #8259] Atomic attributes accessors
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normalperson@...
Date:
2014-06-10 19:21:12 UTC
List:
ruby-core #63074
Issue #8259 has been updated by Eric Wong.
thedarkone2@gmail.com wrote:
> Eric Wong wrote:
> > I do atomic operations all the time in C on arbitrary addresses.
> > Lazy, non-atomic accesses run without speed penalty if I don't need
> > up-to-date data.
>
> Are you talking about Ruby with GVL or C in general? If C in general then
> I don't understand how barrier-less access to concurrently updatable
> data does not result in unexpected behaviors for you...
"atomic" is a bad word to describe the features we want here.
We really want "synchronized" access, not "atomic" access.
C in general. Aligned access on word-sized types (which VALUE is in C
Ruby) is atomic in the sense we won't see data which is in the middle of
an update. Yes, we may see stale data; but we cannot see a value which
is in the middle of an update.
If there are bitfields causing unaligned access or if we need to access
64-bit types on a 32-bit system, we cannot access those atomically
without a lock.
> > The uncommon case of Array/Hash shrinkage would require RCU or similar
> > (epoch-based reclamation). But there's no penalty for reads or in-place
> > modifications other than the cost of the atomic and required memory
> > barriers.
>
> The cost of memory barriers is what I was talking about, right now
> concurrent Ruby VMs don't need to have any memory barriers on
> any of the `Array`/`Hash` methods. Adding "atomic" methods
> to `Array`/`Hash` would force them to put some kind of memory
> barriers on all of the methods. This will result in a performance penalty
> that cannot be avoided. What I am worried about, is that this will result
> in native Ruby `Array`/`Hash` becoming slower for single-threaded
> usage forever and there will no way to ever get the original performance
> back.
Right. There's no way I will ever advocate a memory barrier of any
kind by default for reads or in-place updates.
Unfortunately, changing capacity of an array or hash is tricky and
probably requires barriers for most or all cases (unless escape analysis
can elide barriers, but that's pie-in-the-sky territory).
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Feature #8259: Atomic attributes accessors
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8259#change-47151
* Author: Yura Sokolov
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee:
* Category:
* Target version: Ruby 2.1.0
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=begin
Motivated by this gist ((<URL:https://gist.github.com/jstorimer/5298581>)) and atomic gem
I propose Class.attr_atomic which will add methods for atomic swap and CAS:
class MyNode
attr_accessor :item
attr_atomic :successor
def initialize(item, successor)
@item = item
@successor = successor
end
end
node = MyNode.new(i, other_node)
# attr_atomic ensures at least #{attr} reader method exists. May be, it should
# be sure it does volatile access.
node.successor
# #{attr}_cas(old_value, new_value) do CAS: atomic compare and swap
if node.successor_cas(other_node, new_node)
print "there were no interleaving with other threads"
end
# #{attr}_swap atomically swaps value and returns old value.
# It ensures that no other thread interleaves getting old value and setting
# new one by cas (or other primitive if exists, like in Java 8)
node.successor_swap(new_node)
It will be very simple for MRI cause of GIL, and it will use atomic primitives for
other implementations.
Note: both (({#{attr}_swap})) and (({#{attr}_cas})) should raise an error if instance variable were not explicitly set before.
Example for nonblocking queue: ((<URL:https://gist.github.com/funny-falcon/5370416>))
Something similar should be proposed for Structs. May be override same method as (({Struct.attr_atomic}))
Open question for reader:
should (({attr_atomic :my_attr})) ensure that #my_attr reader method exists?
Should it guarantee that (({#my_attr})) provides 'volatile' access?
May be, (({attr_reader :my_attr})) already ought to provide 'volatile' semantic?
May be, semantic of (({@my_attr})) should have volatile semantic (i doubt for that)?
=end
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