From: "rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)" Date: 2013-07-12T23:23:13+09:00 Subject: [ruby-core:55980] [ruby-trunk - Feature #8629] Method#parameters should include the default value Issue #8629 has been updated by rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas). Yorick, I believe I used exactly your case in my first example, didn't I? In that case, Method#parameters wouldn't evaluate Time.now but return a proc instead. It's up to the framework to decide if it will call the proc or not... Charles, I understand your concerns, but if the framework explains how the default arguments are handled I think we should be fine. For example, suppose the web framework states in the controller's documentation that this is how it performs the binding: """ be aware that any default expression in the argument defaults will be evaluated twice. The framework will evaluate it once to determine how it should perform the binding and it will evaluate it once more the method is called. Keep that in mind when deciding which expressions to use in default values. In case the default proc raises an exception when called by the web framework, no special binding rule will be set for that param. For instance: def an_action(a=1, b=a+1) end In that case, the param "a" is guaranteed to be bound to an Integer while no binding will occur for param "b". """ Do you see? It's up to the frameworks making use of the arguments default values to decide upon calling the proc or not. I'm interested in hearing any other considerations from you. ---------------------------------------- Feature #8629: Method#parameters should include the default value https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8629#change-40477 Author: rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas) Status: Open Priority: Normal Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto) Category: core Target version: def a_method arg1=1, now = Time.now, arg2 = arg1 + 1 end method(:a_method).parameters == [[:opt, :arg1], [:opt, :now], [:opt, :arg2]] I'd prefer if it could return [[:opt, :arg1, 1], [:opt, :now, now_proc], [:opt, :arg2, arg2_proc]], and expect now_proc[] to be the current time and arg2_proc[] to raise an exception since arg1 is not defined. Rationale: Ruby doesn't support optional typing such as: def a_method Date date, Integer n = 0, String name = '' end Groovy does, and this allows Grails to perform some interesting stuff, like params binding in controller methods. If Ruby allowed the default values to be introspected, web frameworks would be able to achieve a similar binding feature. For example, they could use the default to decide upon how to bind the param. They could use the default_value.class or if the default value is nil it could be specified by providing the class itself. For instance: def an_action name: '', parent_name: String, age: Integer, date: Date.today end Of course, you'd need to set up the framework so that it knows how you intend parse dates and other special types from string, but this could make the developer life easier and safer against this kind of attack (like trying to instantiate a hash, etc). An alternative would be something like: def an_action params = {name: :string, age: :integer, date: :date} end You get the idea. Many APIs would be possible to be built if we're able to easily get access to the default values when inspecting a method. Could you please consider this idea? -- http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/