[#3113] Problem in RSS library, or problem in my blog :) — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
I've been trying to use the new RSS library to parse a number of
7 messages
2004/07/01
[#3136] Wrong rdoc formatting in {array,pack}.c — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>
7 messages
2004/07/05
[#3162] Re: [doc-patch] Wrong rdoc formatting in {array,pack}.c
— "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp>
2004/07/09
Hello.
[#3170] Another rdoc formatting error in array.c
— Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>
2004/07/10
[#3172] Re: [doc-patch] Another rdoc formatting error in array.c
— "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp>
2004/07/12
Hello.
[#3141] rexml/validation/validationexception is missing. — nobu.nokada@...
Hi,
5 messages
2004/07/06
[#3154] Nonblocking socket connect - Win32 - 181 — "Jean-Francois Nadeau" <jean-francois.nadeau@...>
Hi,
4 messages
2004/07/08
[#3167] Inconsistent "call-seq" usage etc. — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>
7 messages
2004/07/09
[#3168] Re: [doc] Inconsistent "call-seq" usage etc.
— Dave Thomas <dave@...>
2004/07/09
[#3171] binding a URL to a label in RDoc — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
Hello,
6 messages
2004/07/12
[#3199] Trying to understand \G — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
I'm being silly again, but I can't get \G to work with String.index. If
12 messages
2004/07/16
[#3213] Typo and grammar/style fixes for ext/win32ole/win32ole.c — Jos Backus <jos@...>
The attached patch attempts to create a more consistent style for error
4 messages
2004/07/19
[#3216] Re: Incident Analysis of the intrusion on helium.ruby-lang.org May 2004 — "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...>
Hi,
6 messages
2004/07/21
[#3228] Core support for Gems, and namespace — "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>
Hi all,
21 messages
2004/07/27
[#3229] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Dave Thomas <dave@...>
2004/07/27
[#3232] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>
2004/07/27
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Dave Thomas wrote:
[#3233] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
2004/07/27
On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, 12:48:07 AM, Luke wrote:
[#3235] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>
2004/07/27
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#3230] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2004/07/27
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:39:08 +0900, Luke A. Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:
[#3234] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>
2004/07/27
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#3238] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2004/07/27
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:14:29 +0900, Luke A. Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:
[#3243] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
2004/07/28
On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, 3:23:46 AM, Austin wrote:
[#3248] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2004/07/28
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:29:53 +0900, Gavin Sinclair
[#3249] Re: Core support for Gems, and namespace
— Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
2004/07/28
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:29:53AM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
Core support for Gems, and namespace
From:
"Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>
Date:
2004-07-27 02:39:08 UTC
List:
ruby-core #3228
Hi all,
I'm getting to the point where my ruby libraries are sophisticated enough
that I'd like to start packaging them, which means that 1) it's important
that the packaging be as close as possible to a standard, and 2) it needs
to be easy for others to install my packaged libraries. For instance,
I've got some Nagios libraries that I would very much like to be easy for
people to use.
I should probably ask this question of the Gems list, but I don't want to
join another list just to ask this questin, and I also think this is an
issue that lies at the core of the language, so it's important that it's
solved at the core.
I'm looking at the Gems stuff, and it seems that all scripts will have to
clearly differentiate between libraries installed with gem vs. those
installed by hand. Is it true that I, as a script writer, will have to
know whether my eventual user installed libraries as Gems? Even worse, is
it true that all scripts are likely to import the gems libraries? Why is
not possible to just put all gems in a specific directory, and add that
directory to the library search path? Does anyone know why this feature
set was chosen?
On a related note, one of the things that CPAN spends a significant amount
of effort on is managing name space, but as far as I can tell, there is no
such effort in the Ruby community. This is definitely related to Gems, as
that is really the only place you can manage namespace. While I know that
filing libraries is seldom completely straightforward, I also know that
having a completely flat namespace will be totally unmanageable in a few
years, and it's best to solve this problem while it's small.
And like I said, even though these are actually meta-problems for Ruby,
and not part of the language itself, I think that in terms of the user
community they lie squarely in the heart of the language as a tool. When
I discuss ruby vs. perl with people, everyone wants to know: Is there
CPAN? Is there perldoc? My answer is still no, because I can't see how
gems can provide the seamless simplicity of CPAN. Every perl script I've
written for the last 3 years or so has embedded documentation and a --help
command that behaves just like 'man <script>', but as far as I can tell, I
still can't get that functionality in ruby.
Am I missing something? I want to start publishing my libraries, and I
really want to make it as easy as possible for people to install them.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I absolutely adore Ruby, and I am
doing almost all of my programming in it, but I'm afraid that I will have
a tough time convincing people to use much of what I write...
Luke
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