From: "ioquatix (Samuel Williams)" Date: 2021-10-25T01:28:14+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:105764] [Ruby master Feature#18035] Introduce general model/semantic for immutable by default. Issue #18035 has been updated by ioquatix (Samuel Williams). I tried a couple of times but I could not figure out how to allocate more flags within `RBasic` and `enum` in C99 has problems with more than 32-bit constants on some platforms. So, I'd like to share some ideas. Can we split flags into two parts: ```c struct RBasic { union { VALUE flags; struct { uint32_t object_flags; // well defined object flags for object state. uint32_t internal_flags; // internal flags for specific object implementation (currently "user" flags). }; } }; ``` I don't know if this can work but maybe it's one idea to make the usage of flags more explicit. I suggest we move "user flags" to 2nd 32-bit "internal flags". We shouldn't bother exposing any constants for this, it's reserved depending on `T_...` type. @nobu do you think this is something worth exploring? cc @shyouhei do yo have any ideas about what we can do to make this better? ---------------------------------------- Feature #18035: Introduce general model/semantic for immutable by default. https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/18035#change-94278 * Author: ioquatix (Samuel Williams) * Status: Open * Priority: Normal ---------------------------------------- It would be good to establish some rules around mutability, immutability, frozen, and deep frozen in Ruby. I see time and time again, incorrect assumptions about how this works in production code. Constants that aren't really constant, people using `#freeze` incorrectly, etc. I don't have any particular preference but: - We should establish consistent patterns where possible, e.g. - Objects created by `new` are mutable. - Objects created by literal are immutable. We have problems with how `freeze` works on composite data types, e.g. `Hash#freeze` does not impact children keys/values, same for Array. Do we need to introduce `freeze(true)` or `#deep_freeze` or some other method? Because of this, frozen does not necessarily correspond to immutable. This is an issue which causes real world problems. I also propose to codify this where possible, in terms of "this class of object is immutable" should be enforced by the language/runtime, e.g. ```ruby module Immutable def new(...) super.freeze end end class MyImmutableObject extend Immutable def initialize(x) @x = x end def freeze return self if frozen? @x.freeze super end end o = MyImmutableObject.new([1, 2, 3]) puts o.frozen? ``` Finally, this area has an impact to thread and fiber safe programming, so it is becoming more relevant and I believe that the current approach which is rather adhoc is insufficient. I know that it's non-trivial to retrofit existing code, but maybe it can be done via magic comment, etc, which we already did for frozen string literals. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ Unsubscribe: