[#105544] [Ruby master Feature#18239] Variable Width Allocation: Strings — "peterzhu2118 (Peter Zhu)" <noreply@...>

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[#105566] [Ruby master Bug#18242] Parser makes multiple assignment sad in confusing way — "danh337 (Dan Higgins)" <noreply@...>

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[#105573] [Ruby master Bug#18243] Ractor.make_shareable does not freeze the receiver of a Proc but allows accessing ivars of it — "Eregon (Benoit Daloze)" <noreply@...>

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[#105618] [Ruby master Bug#18249] The ABI version of dev builds of CRuby does not correspond to the ABI — "Eregon (Benoit Daloze)" <noreply@...>

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[#105626] [Ruby master Bug#18250] Anonymous variables seem to break `Ractor.make_shareable` — "tenderlovemaking (Aaron Patterson)" <noreply@...>

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[#105660] [Ruby master Feature#18254] Add an `offset` parameter to String#unpack and String#unpack1 — "byroot (Jean Boussier)" <noreply@...>

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[#105672] [Ruby master Feature#18256] Change the canonical name of Thread::Mutex, Thread::Queue, Thread::SizedQueue and Thread::ConditionVariable to just Mutex, Queue, SizedQueue and ConditionVariable — "Eregon (Benoit Daloze)" <noreply@...>

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[#105692] [Ruby master Bug#18257] SystemTap/DTrace coredump on ppc64le/s390x — "vo.x (Vit Ondruch)" <noreply@...>

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[#105781] [Ruby master Misc#18266] DevelopersMeeting20211118Japan — "mame (Yusuke Endoh)" <noreply@...>

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[#105805] [Ruby master Bug#18270] Refinement#{extend_object, append_features, prepend_features} should be removed — "shugo (Shugo Maeda)" <noreply@...>

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[#105826] [Ruby master Feature#18273] Class.subclasses — "byroot (Jean Boussier)" <noreply@...>

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[#105833] [Ruby master Feature#18275] Add an option to define_method to not capture the surrounding environment — "vinistock (Vinicius Stock)" <noreply@...>

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11 messages 2021/10/27

[#105853] [Ruby master Feature#18276] `Proc#bind_call(obj)` same as `obj.instance_exec(..., &proc_obj)` — "ko1 (Koichi Sasada)" <noreply@...>

Issue #18276 has been reported by ko1 (Koichi Sasada).

15 messages 2021/10/28

[ruby-core:105719] [Ruby master Bug#18258] Ractor.shareable? can be slow and mutates internal object flags.

From: "Eregon (Benoit Daloze)" <noreply@...>
Date: 2021-10-21 08:52:43 UTC
List: ruby-core #105719
Issue #18258 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze).


Yeah that's an alternative design.

Currently `Ractor.shareable?` semantics are "is it already shareable as in conceptually or not?".
(And the flag is just a cache for the "yes" case)
And it's not "is it already shareable as marked with Ractor.make_shareable or all instances of that class are shareable, or they are leaf frozen objects".

Note that String#freeze could only set the shareable flag if the String has no ivar, otherwise it's incorrect.

I'm not against that design, but it might be compatibility issue.

Anyway, I think no program should check `Ractor.shareable?`, probably only Ractor internals should check that, and if not shareable then raise an exception and therefore performance before that is not that big a deal.
So maybe one solution is removing `Ractor.shareable?`, and also in C-API, they seem only useful for Ractor internals, and maybe for debugging (maybe they could be only defined with `ruby -d`?).

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Bug #18258: Ractor.shareable? can be slow and mutates internal object flags.
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/18258#change-94219

* Author: ioquatix (Samuel Williams)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: ko1 (Koichi Sasada)
* ruby -v: 3.0.2
* Backport: 2.6: UNKNOWN, 2.7: UNKNOWN, 3.0: UNKNOWN
----------------------------------------
On my computer, even with a relatively small object graph,`Ractor.shareable?` can be quite slow (around 1-2ms). The following example creates an object graph with ~40k objects as an example, and on my computer takes around 20ms to execute `Ractor.shareable?`. Because the object cannot be marked as `RB_FL_SHAREABLE` because it contains mutable state, every time we check `Ractor.shareable?` it will perform the same object traversal which is the slow path.

``` ruby
require 'benchmark'

class Borked
	def freeze
	end
end

class Nested
	def initialize(count, top = true)
		if count > 0
			@nested = count.times.map{Nested.new(count - 1, false).freeze}.freeze
		end
		
		if top
			@borked = Borked.new
		end
	end
	
	attr :nested
	attr :borked
end

def test(n)
	puts "Creating nested object of size N=#{n}"
	nested = Nested.new(n).freeze
	shareable = false
	
	result = Benchmark.measure do
		shareable = Ractor.shareable?(nested)
	end

	pp result: result, shareable: shareable
end

test(8)
```

I propose we change `Ractor.shareable?` to only check `RB_FL_SHAREABLE` which gives (1) predictable and fast performance in every case and (2) avoids mutating internal object flags when performing what looks like a read-only operation.

I respect that one way of looking at `Ractor.shareable?` is as a cache for object state. But this kind of cache can lead to unpredictable performance.

As a result, something like `String#freeze` would not create objects that can be shared with Ractor. However, I believe we can mitigate this by tweaking `String#freeze` to also set `RB_FL_SHAREABLE` if possible. I believe we should apply this to more objects. It will lead to more predictable performance for Ruby.

Since there are few real-world examples of Ractor, it's hard to find real world example of the problem. However, I believe such an issue will prevent Ractor usage as even relatively small object graphs (~1000 objects) can cause 1-2ms of latency, and this particular operation does not release the GVL either which means it stalls the entire VM.

This issue came from discussion regarding https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/18035 where we are considering using `RB_FL_SHAREABLE` as a flag for immutability. By fixing this issue, we make it easier to implement model for immutability because we don't need to introduce new flags and can instead reuse existing flags.



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